• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    What’s wild to me is how most news sources are reporting that the president’s rivals did their part by opting not to provide support to the coup attempt.

    I think, if a bunch of armed rednecks attacked the White House, we wouldn’t see solidarity among rival factions in defending our seat of government.

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    Huh. I was wondering why I read about it once and then completely forgot about it. I actually have no idea if this was a good thing or a bad thing tbh so I don’t have an opinion

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      To remove all of the nuance: The democratically elected president survived an attempted overthrow from the military. He did so by:

      1. Replacing three military branch leaders who then ordered the military personnel to return to their barracks and stations.

      2. Reaching out to the citizens, who reacted quickly and without any signs of weakness to form mobs who surrounded and shouted at troops belonging to the coup.

      The timeline was something like: Coup begins quietly, Coup leader Zuniga claimed to be “trying to restore democracy” at 2:47 AM, and Zuniga was arrested at 5:08 AM for the crime.

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    I thought Zuniga was a part of the white supremacy faction in Bollivia but I’m not finding any connections with a search engine. Looks like Juan Jose Zuniga was accused of embezzling ~400,000 USD worth of public funds and was part of a group, Pachajchos, who watched over coca production and monitored politics. Morales accused the group of trying to assassinate him.

    On the flip side, Morales was and may still be seeking a 4th or 5th term as president, he was ousted in 2019 and replaced by democratically elected Arce. So being opposed to Morales doesn’t seem like a bad thing on its own. Zuniga claims that a group of elites were destroying the nature and taking everything for themselves.

    My best educated guess is that Zuniga is an opportunist who saw a fractured federal entity and wanted to wedge himself in the gap as its new leader, no matter how many lives he would need to throw on the fire in order to do so.

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    Is this post from 1985? The CIA hasn’t backed a fascist coup for decades now

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      Jesus christ, what a stupid take lol. Just recently they tried to put Guaido in charge in Venezuela (who had support from Colombian paramilitary groups too). And let’s not forget how they took Evo down in Bolivia a few years ago over voting fraud allegations, which later turned out to be just statistical analysis mistakes. And they put that awful woman in charge who commited at least 2 massacres against protesters after taking power. And they are backing Milei and Bukele in Argentina and Salvador. And they are punishing Colombia financially for daring to pick Petro as president. And …

      Don’t get me wrong, fuck Evo and Maduro for trying to stay in power forever. And Maduro for sure is a left wing dictator. But go fuck yourself with that propaganda, the USA can’t stop fucking with us latin americans. Educate yourself before talking.

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        If you want to be taken seriously and have a fruitful discussion, don’t start with “what a stupid take lol”. Start with something respectful, anything, I’m sure you can come up with it yourself.

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          Oh, so you guys get to vote for politicians that keep fucking our countries over. And you guys can go online to repeat your stupid propaganda. But it doesn’t matter because I wasn’t 100% polite. wtf is wrong with you people?

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              Not you, the original comment I was replying too. I don’t understand why you think denying the harmful shit being done by the USA is polite while calling them out is inpolite?

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                Denying ? I’m not denying anything. You’re taking me for someone else. Mind the usernames

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                  My man, you seriously need to improve your reading comprehension. Not everything is about you. Or are you just trolling?

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            Really, if you want to have a discussion you can’t go insulting people. They won’t listen. Do I call you comments “stupid takes” and expect you to react well ? no ? well, same for anyone else.

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              I called it a stupid take because it was a stupid take. I’m sorry the truth hurts. And to be honest, I’m not interested in having a conversation here. I just wanted to point out how stupid that comment was so people who are actually insterested in being informed can start reading about these topics.

              And finally, fuck you too as a treat hahahaha. Seriously, what are you contributing to the conversation here? Because too me you are just distracting us with your moral superiority while ignoring the very serious issues I was mentioning. Downvote me for not being polite, who gives a fuck about fake internet points. As long as some people reading my comment actually go and read about this I don’t give a fuck hahahaha.

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          fuck your noise. no.

          There is no “fruitful discussion” to be had. Some tosser was outright wrong, and got schooled. No rebuttal is needed or wanted.

          Take your white knighting or cucking or whatever it is you’re doing that gets you off, and go.

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        Not everything that goes wrong in your part of the world is because la CIA. Educate yourself before voting and stop trying to blame your shortsightedness and corruption on everyone else.

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          Where did I say that? Nice strawman dude. I gave specific examples of USA intervening in latin america. If you disagree about any of the examples we can discuss them. But please don’t put words in my mouth.

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            With regard to the situation with Guaido in Venezuela, isn’t it true that the 2013 Venezuelan presidential election had a voter turnout of 79% and was extremely close? Whereas the 2018 election only had a voter turnout of 45% and Maduro was re-elected amidst widespread allegations of corruption and fraud. And for the upcoming 2024 election, multiple opposition candidates have been barred from running against Maduro.

            Since 2010, Venezuela has been suffering a socioeconomic crisis under Nicolás Maduro and briefly under his predecessor Hugo Chávez as rampant crime, hyperinflation and shortages diminish the quality of life.[6][7] As a result of discontent with the government, the opposition was elected to hold the majority in the National Assembly for the first time since 1999 following the 2015 parliamentary election.[8] After the election, the lame duck National Assembly—with a pro-government majority—filled the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, the highest court in Venezuela, with Maduro allies. The tribunal stripped three opposition lawmakers of their National Assembly seats in early 2016, citing alleged “irregularities” in their elections, thereby preventing an opposition supermajority which would have been able to challenge President Maduro.

            The tribunal approved several actions by Maduro and granted him more powers in 2017.[8] As protests mounted against Maduro, he called for a constituent assembly that would draft a new constitution to replace the 1999 Venezuela Constitution created under Chávez. Many countries considered these actions a bid by Maduro to stay in power indefinitely,[11] and over 40 countries stated that they would not recognize the 2017 Constituent National Assembly (ANC). The Democratic Unity Roundtable—the opposition to the incumbent ruling party—boycotted the election, saying that the ANC was “a trick to keep [the incumbent ruling party] in power”.[14] Since the opposition did not participate in the election, the incumbent Great Patriotic Pole, dominated by the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, won almost all seats in the assembly by default.[15] On 8 August 2017, the ANC declared itself to be the government branch with supreme power in Venezuela, banning the opposition-led National Assembly from performing actions that would interfere with the assembly while continuing to pass measures in “support and solidarity” with President Maduro, effectively stripping the National Assembly of all its powers.

            And I understand that you’re not supporting Maduro. But if the US is trying to support free and fair elections which Maduro is suppressing, than they are essentially doing the opposite of supporting a fascist coup. I unfortunately don’t have time to unpack each of your scenarios.

            You’re not wrong in saying that the US has frequently intervened in Latin America for the past 200 years, right up until the present. But intervening to protect democracy is very different from intervening to support fascism, and failing to distinguish between the two is bordering on misinformation.

            Think of it this way, if it weren’t the US intervening, it’d be another foreign power. And the US primarily intervenes just to keep capitalism flowing, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Panama has done quite well as a result of the US intervening and building the Canal. And Latin America has largely avoided genocides and wars of the scale that we have seen in other developing countries in Asia and Africa.

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    This is bs propaganda. Here’s the math:

    • 100% of its weapons are in transit to Israel according Joe
    • it takes decades to get people to elect a government more aligned with its people than with say Lockheed Martin, and thus
    • Bolivia has to succeed in suppressing coups 100% of the time whereas
    • the US CIA has to succeed just once

    SORRY folks. In the middle of the night I tried to make some sarcasm about the US’s intolerance of non-right-wing governments in the Americas and how many times the CIA has been proven to have helped topple non-right-wing governments. Mea culpa.

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      I also don’t recall the president denouncing Hamas very much during his address to the nation about the coup. Literally Hitler.

      Sorry. This was more middle-of-the-night attempted sarcasm and even less topical. Sorry.

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      Many lemmings downvote what they don’t understand on the off-chance it might be something offensive, pay them no mind.