And I installed Linux. And it’s awesome.
EDIT: yes, the GPU was a bit tilted. Fixed it now!
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I strongly disagree with the too much RAM hate. I have 32GB and run out. 64GB would be freedom to do whatever. That’s how computing should be.
The correct amount of RAM is enough that you never, ever have to think about it no matter what you choose to do.
Ditto for storage.
32GB is “fine”, but yes, I occasionally run into cases where it’s not enough. Typically with VMs or CPU-based machine learning tasks that are too big to run on GPU. I’m not really into video editing but I assume that needs a ton as well.
Lol i still have 16gb
My server has 156GB RAM and I don’t think I’ll ever hit 8GB usage hahaha
8GB
My server has 8GB of RAM and it rarely even gets up to 4GB of actual RAM usage.
I have no sense of scale yet hahaha. My only server is a 4GB RPI 4 B!
Which server were you talking about when you said your server has 156GB of RAM?
I’ve got a GSA gifted to me by a friend, and he filled it to max with RAM beforehand, and flashed the BIOS with regular… Dell? BIOS?
It’s The Cheat from Homestar that I had to get a buncha SAS drives for. I didn’t know they were a thing.
It’s unfathomably gigantic and heavy, but I guess it has a couple processors and a ton of RAM!
(Also love your handle)
Edit: oh shit it’s also got two PSUs for whatever raisin hahaha
It’ll boot faster if you take some out.
Noted! I haven’t got it set up yet. I have all the hard drives and stuff, but I haven’t been motivated lately. :c
Plus, once I have UNRAID going, ideally it will almost never need to boot!
I personally would not take it out, “unused” RAM will be used by the OS as e.g. disk cache, or you could have a fairly large ramdisk.
I see! I’m very extremely new to this! Insofar I’ve only got some RPi machines set up, I don’t yet know anything about UNRAID or big servers.
128gb here. I sit constantly between 40 and 70gb in use. Heavy multitasking between Internet, professional, gaming, and creative outlets can sometimes push near 90.
16 was the pcmr standard in 2010, but is a complete joke now. 32g is the new 8gb now. “Casual” pc usage is way, WAY heavier now: nobody just uses a computer for only one thing anymore, they use it for multi-window browsing, music, and YouTube, along with the new standard of everybody plays games and nobody wants to close shit just to play a game.
Games are heavierweight and the only reason it’s as low requirement as they are is because of console peasants. CS2 is like 100gb storage, up from the laughable ~2gb in csgo. That’s just not how the world works anymore. The economy has chosen ease of development and priority on graphical fidelity over deep design complexity. Shit; Starfield is basically just a 200gb graphics mod of Morrowind.
And then you have heavy users like us, who actually use bleeding edge functions, who have grown up wanting better and more, experimenting and not trusting and wanting to pay cloud. Despite the neon gamer rog chrome and black image, I’d be willing to bet almost every person here in this thread has at least one HDD currently in use (take note of these demographics: fediverse, English speaking, pcmr, aware of RAM) - and the reason is because they’re cheap, fairly reliable storage and we all ain’t made of money. Ironic because of the amount of RAM being discussed.
32GB has been the new 16GB for probably five years, and realistically, 64GB is actually what you should be getting when you upgrade/make a new build.
Reason: 64GB, right this minute, is one double above “just cutting it”.
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Arch (btw), but I’m thinking of trying Endeavour because it has nice defaults that I might’ve missed in my installation.
+1 for Endeavor. Started daily driving it for about 3 months now and it’s incredible.
Some of the minor tweaks I need to make really bring me back to the early days of learning PC and trouble shooting (but with actually solutions / outcomes this time and not just a brick wall at the end).
That being said nearly everything has just worked out of the box. Plus with timelapse (timeshift? I forget the name) you can basically be sure that you won’t brick the system if you mess anything up.
+1 for Endeavour from me too. I came from Arch and decided Endeavour was better for me. Building your own setup in Arch is great, but so is having everything set up for me.
with that many cores you should install GENTOO LINUX
I actually considered this (I have a 7950X) but I recall someone on Gentoo’s forums saying you shouldn’t use them all even on the best liquid cooler. The heat from that would be a major issue.
Man I feel like a fraud in this thread. I’ve been using Linux for more than a decade now but I installed only Windows on the new system. I use it like an Xbox, turn it on when I play games and then go back to the laptop for everything else.
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Curious, what tasks do you use that much RAM for?
Totally overkill. I thought I would be running lots of containers and virtual machines, but really never seem to use more than 16gb total. And I didn’t set up a swap partition, neither.
And I didn’t set up a swap partition, neither.
You should always use a swap partition for linux, even if you have more than “enough” memory. It just works better for a very very tiny loss of diskspace.
https://haydenjames.io/linux-performance-almost-always-add-swap-space/
it’s nice to have in case you want to have bad computer hygiene and hibernate instead of shutting down
Swap space is good to have, but a swap file is more convenient than a swap partition
Even if I disable hibernate and suspend?
Thank you, I wondered. I keep thinking I need to upgrade to 32GB from 16 but have get to run into a need other than the prices are pretty cheap these days
If you want to upgrade, get better speeds. AM5 Expo settings are quite stable nowadays, and the less RAM you have, the faster a cold boot is.
IMHO 16gb @ 8000 > 32gb @ 6000. I’m thinking of doing this in the future.
I’m not that sure about 16gb for gaming nowadays. Games are starting to explode in ram and vram usage. With windows on the side and plenty of other apps in the background, I was pretty close to the limit while running a vm with 16gb of memory on a 32gb ram setup, while running warframe (The game was using 5-5.5gb of memory).
Tho running Linux, can reduce that memory usage.
I agree. 16 is enough, but 32 is safe. And 64 is too much!
Does AM5 even support 8000 tho? Thought it topped our at 6000
I’ll consider that, thank you!
You don’t really need to upgrade. But for a new pc, 32gb is advised for anything gaming.
For other things like content creation or work with the computer other than basic computing, I don’t really know. It would change depending on what someone needs to so with the computer.
I haven’t run into issues on my gaming rig with 16. If I was building new I’d get 32 for sure. But my old 10700k and 4090 seem to do just fine on 16. Even when running unoptimized emulation like early days with ToTK I hardly used more than 12.
I feel those days are ending soon though and will need more in the next year or so.
I’ve heard you can load and run windows 100% on ram. You should give that a shot. Just never fully shut down your PC.
32GB for Windows, 8GB for the software to run all the different RGB, that leaves you with what, 24GB for gaming?
You serious 32gb for Windows? I know it’s a resource hog but 8gb is more than enough for win11 not accounting any other software
Woooosh
VMs, containers, and running
make -j(yep, that’s right, -j without specifying the maximum number of parallel jobs)For the Seconds chrome tab
I have 64 too and my usage breaks down to basically be 32 for windows, 32 for different VMs.
That’s cool, what do you use your VMs for? We have them setup at work too split resources but I can’t think of a personal reason to use a virtual machine.
May just be the perspective, but man your GPU looks like it’s sagging upwards
Yeah, got that comment before, so I spent some time with a ruler and a screwdriver to make sure.
It seems the case GPU support was a bit too high.
Thanks!
and a fractal torrent compact, good choice!
edit: or wait, is that the regular torrent? I can’t tell
Regular one!
The gpu looks tilted, did it not fit in the upper bracket?
I double checked: it’s just the perspective of the photo
EDIT: I just finished reinstalling the card with a ruler in hand because I couldn’t take the thought out of my head lol. Spent 1 hour because I had to clear the CMOS after the cards reinstallation and first cold boot re-training memory, but now it’s technically aligned!
Oh wow, I have the same CPU and GPU setup (different brand on the latter tho).
In any case, you picked great for Linux.
Can it cook your food and wash the dishes too!?
How much was it?
After all of that, you couldn’t spring for the 4090?
I wanted an AMD card.
