I'm fairly certain that I was not the only person in the world who thought to himself, "Did they just yoink the entire Internet and bundle it together

From the article:

"I know for a fact that Wikipedia operates under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, which explicitly states that if you’re going to use the data, you must give attribution. As far as search engines go, they can get away with it because linking back to a Wikipedia article on the same page as the search results is considered attribution.

But in the case of Brave, not only are they disregarding the license - they’re also charging money for the data and then giving third parties “rights” to that data."

  • Xæris@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    TIL; stay away from Brave.

    Not only because of this article, but merely an hour ago I have read also this post (numerous links provided in the post) about the dubious Brendan Eich.

    • Monologue@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      i don’t get why people choose to use brave, firefox is great and if you really need that chromium base ungoogled chromium exists

      • dngray@lemmy.oneMEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        ungoogled chromium exists

        The reason is they have proper build infrastructure managed by the Brave. With Ungoogled Chromium the binaries are produced by third parties, vary in version etc. People claim they would only use “open source software” but they do download binary versions nevertheless and don’t compile that code themselves. This increases the risk of a supply chain attack, where a malicious binary is submitted and nobody has really knows until it is too late. The other issue is they disable CRLSets because of “google hate” which we think actually increases the likelihood of a MiTM attack occurring because rogue certificates are not detected and invalidated as quickly as they could have been.

        This article describes a few other things https://qua3k.github.io/ungoogled/

      • frequency@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I think Brave did some aggressive marketing, including social media posts and comments. I did buy their narrative at first too - a browser that already tuned to block ads and trackers. But later I’ve noticed that it constantly connects back to brave server and it looked suspicious. Firefox is the best.

      • goji@lemmy.caEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        Ungoogled Chromium is my current favourite

        Previously was using Firefox Developer’s edition which is also decent. But I like a minimalist browser that acts more like a framework to which I can just add what I want, and doesn’t come with a lot of bullshit I don’t need.

        • dngray@lemmy.oneMEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Ungoogled Chromium is my current favourite

          The reason we don’t recommend Ungoogled Chromium and instead recommend Brave on the privacyguides.org website is because they have proper build infrastructure managed by the Brave. With Ungoogled Chromium the binaries are produced by third parties, vary in version etc. People claim they would only use “open source software” but they do download binary versions nevertheless and don’t compile that code themselves. This increases the risk of a supply chain attack, where a malicious binary is submitted and nobody has really knows until it is too late. The other issue is they disable CRLSets because of “google hate” which we think actually increases the likelihood of a MiTM attack occurring because rogue certificates are not detected and invalidated as quickly as they could have been.

          This article describes a few other things https://qua3k.github.io/ungoogled/

  • DeadGemini@waveform.socialEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    tsk tsk tsk. When will people learn to just use Firefox or Librewolf? Do you want a web browser, or an AI training crypto wallet?

    • zingo@lemmy.caEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I read ya.

      I was always skeptical about Brave with their side projects of crypto etc. Its funny because privacytools.io recommends them till this day.

      I have been using Librewolf for some time now and I am happy with it.

        • Solar Bear@slrpnk.netEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          Brave still is a great browser just disable a few settings as recommended in the guide

          Brave is still Chromium in a new coat of paint and you’re still aiding Google in their domination of web standards.

          • dngray@lemmy.oneMEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Brave is still Chromium in a new coat of paint and you’re still aiding Google in their domination of web standards.

            That is a little unfair tbh, they do quite a lot, such as their privacy shields, including the script blocking one which is basically like NoScript.

            They also do some work on anti fingerprinting tech and other things along that vein.

    • Leraje@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.

      But then I didn’t know about Eich’s homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)

      • federal_explorer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        Honestly I don’t care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it’s genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren’t doing anything wrong.

        Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.

        • Leraje@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          You don’t think there’s anything wrong with selling you the ‘rights’ to other people’s content?

  • Adderbox76@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    I liked Brave for a while. But slowly things just started to feel sketchy to me. Their weird insistence on putting their crypto bullshit and wallet services in your face. I just felt like, “I want a browser. Can’t you just be a fucking browser?” At a certain point adding all these other ‘services’ they just end up just a weird-ass money making scheme, like they’re two steps away from using my computer for crypto mining.

  • Poob@lemmy.caEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    Well fuck, what am I supposed to use? I use bitwarden for passwords, so that shit works everywhere, but I want a mobile browser and a desktop browser that share history. Being able to share tabs between devices is a nice bonus.

    Firefox on mobile is hot garbage with infuriating UI bugs. I keep trying to switch to it, and keep switching away after a few days.

    I’m sure as shit not going to Chrome.

    • steal_your_face@lemmy.mlEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I use Firefox on iOS and grapheneOS and it works fine. UI is not as nice as others but it works. Never seen bugs personally ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • cultsuperstar@lemmy.mlBEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Isn’t Firefox on iOS essentially a skinned Safari? Unless Apple has changed their stance, I thought all browsers had to use webkit?

      • jacktherippah@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago
        • On Android, Firefox lacks per-site process isolation, which makes it less secure than Chromium browsers (not insecure, just less secure.)
        • With privacy.resistFingerprinting on, Firefox on Android is stuck at 60hz, which I don’t like.
        • There is a noticeable difference in performance between Firefox and Chromium. Firefox is consistently slower when loading webpages, which you notice after using Chromium.

        Don’t get me wrong, I like Firefox. I use LibreWolf on desktop. I just can’t justify using it on Android, at least not yet. Guess I’ll go back to using Vanadium.

    • CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee
      1·
      1 year ago

      But it is designed by their company. Their products represent their leadership.

      Firefox and DDG for me.

      • utopianrevolt@lemmy.world
        0·
        1 year ago

        I honestly just started cracking up after seeing DDG mentioned after those initial 2 sentences.

        DuckDuckGo does not care about your privacy. Switch to SearX, StartPage, or Kagi.