• nublug@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      no they don’t. anarcho-capitalists are fascists. they don’t want the state gone they just want it minimal and out of the way so they can exploit whoever and whatever they want to build their own empire like a robber baron of ages ago. there is no place for capitalism in anarchy.

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        Bro did you drink paint? Either you are anarchists (anarcho) or Faschist, you by definition can’t be both. Faschism is maximum state influence, real faschism is closer to communism than capitalism.

        And there is place for capitalism in the concept of anarchy. By definition you can do whatever you want in anarchy. Wich is completely idiotic but that’s a different story.

        What you describe is a form of Plutocracy not Ancaps or something similar.

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          ancaps are not anarchists was my whole point bud. and no, the point of anarchy is not ‘do whatever you want even capitalism lol’. anarchy is recognizing that power over others breeds corruption and endeavouring to flatten hierarchies as much as feasibly possible to limit it. anarchy is ‘no ruler’ not ‘no rules lol wheeee’.

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            And your point is bs because its against a literal definition. You might mean something else, what you mean is rather Plutocracy than ancaps but you don’t seem to understand that.

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                No im not wtf im a social Democrat you just throw around words and don’t even know what they mean.

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                  everyone here is disagreeing with you about this. maybe you’re just wrong. i am an anarchist. ancaps are not accepted by any other faction of anarchists and are recognized as fascists in hiding. just like libertarians are just fash who want to smoke weed, ancaps are fash who want no regulation in the way of their riches, both hide behind minimal lip service and labels. just like fascist states nk and russia hide behind their democracy label.

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                    Nah you are just idiots because its not a thing you can disagree with, its facts.

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              According to classical anarchist political theory anarcho-capitalism is a contradiction in terms. Private property (as in a select few owning the means to production, not as in personal possessions) will lead to hierarchy and oppression.

              Of course self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalists disagree with this point. They believe a free (unregulated) market would be empowering for everybody.

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              Anarchy is a form of society without rulers.

              An- (Greek: “without”) + arkhos (Greek: “ruler”)

              • Oxford Languages

              The literal definition in the political sense and the literal etymology are “without rulers”.

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              And your point is bs because its against a literal definition.

              Maybe a dictionary definition because dictionaries capture common understanding, which in the case of anarchism is abysmal. Good dictionaries will also list the actual meaning. But, as you said, a literal definition? That’s exactly “The absence of rulers”. Not the absence of order, the absence of norms, “lawlessness”, that’s called anomie.

              And even if we here were wrong and you were right that still wouldn’t matter as by your own admission we can do as we please, including using terms in ways which seem disagreeable to you. But we don’t because we actually care about theory and the general intellectual integrity of things (in a material sense (in the actual meaning of material)) as without theory there’s no praxis, only actionism.

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          In anarcho-capitalism, the person with the most money is indestinguishable from the state, they’re just called something else.

          And yes, i did drink paint. Mmm tasty 😋🎨

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      They want to abolish the current state and install they’re own feudalist state where money is the only definng factor on of something can be done

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          No. They’re correct. AnCap is not an anarchic ideology and is just a form of re-branded neo-feudalism. There’s a lot of hand-waving and arguments that intentionally avoid following threads to their logical conclusion.

          Capitalism is a mandatorily hierarchical system. It literally revolves around capitalists owning the means of production and leveraging it to extract as much value from workers’ labor as is possible to keep as profit. This makes it incompatible with any form of anarchism.

          “AnCap” has nothing to do with anarchism and revolves around elimination of regulatory power, services, and social safety nets of the state, while preserving the state’s ability to use violence to coerce workers into falling in line. State services and social safety nets are then “replaced” by dependence on the goodwill of capitalists voluntarily providing for the less fortunate. The dynamic setup by this can logically only lead to increasingly disparate distribution of wealth and power, with capitalists becoming kings and workers becoming serfs, completely dependent upon their rulers because they have no ability to economically support themselves.

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      If they were consistent with their beliefs then yeah, but that’s a big if

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        Thats not a if at all, thats the point of wanting to be anarchists.

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              Ok then you must believe that Nazis were socialists and that North Korea is a democracy. Everyone knows that if it’s in the name, it must be true! And fascists like ancaps are famous for being honest and forthright, historically speaking

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                  You don’t understand what you’re talking about. I see in another comment you think that anarchism is “doing whatever you want” or some ignorant childish shit like that.

                  You know what I think? I think you actually do know what anarchism is and that you’re just an ancap-defending troll and fascist who came here to start shit. You’re not wanted here, and I’m reporting you for trolling and uncivil behavior on the grounds that you’ve had multiple people patiently explain to you why you’re wrong, and you continue to fling shit like the reactionary primate you are.

                  Go fuck yourself.

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                    Go fuck yourself.

                    Come fuck me yourself if you dare.

                    Clown.

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              Stop trolling. Shit gets named so it sounds god on the surface all the time. Like ‘noLifeKing’ one would assume that meant someone was against monarchy. But here you are, eager to bend the knee and suck their balls, for any ancap around… Or perhaps i misread, and the pronunciation is no-life. Which explains why you’re 50 comments deep in defending an terribly ideology you claim not to support, and clearly know nothing about.

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      Ancaps: Government is bad because tyranny, we should get rid of it.

      Also Ancaps: Here’s how we can still enforce copyright, abortion bans, and racial segregation without a government! 🥰

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        Anarchy is incompatible with humans in general but this is about the definition and not if its realistic.

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              Nope. That’s bartering. When small children want to exchange goods, they don’t draw up paper to represent abstract value, they barter because it’s natural, then they need to be taught how capitalism works. People bartered and exchanged goods and services for thousands of years before capitalism came along.

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                  It’s not a take, it’s history. Like recorded history. My argument was for what is natural, not what is logical or better. Humans started bartering thousands of years before the invention of currency because it’s the quickest and most natural way of exchanging goods. No need for insults either, we’re just talking here, no need to get so hot and bothered over it.

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                  He could trade free bread for life if the ovenmaker is local, or if the ovenmaker isn’t on that “no bread” diet that is popular rn. But if the ovenmaker wants something else say from a blacksmith, he could trade bread to the blacksmith for that item, assuming the blacksmith wants bread and agrees to a deal (likely 1 loaf/day for X days), take that item and then trade that to the ovenmaker. If the blacksmith doesn’t eat carbs either, but needs a new suit, maybe the breadmaker can trade bread for the suit, the suit for the blacksmith, and that item for the oven.

                  OR yeah we could agree that money is convenient.

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      Depends on the ancap. Some are actually progressive capitalists, like the Democrats but on steroids. Others are just nazis that like to jerk off to loli hentai and playing video games, but don’t want the negative association with the authoritarian right, be it your grandpa conservatives or some caricature of nazis (read: a lot of people think nazi equals with people wanting to do evil things for the sake of evil).