Good. They don’t belong here or in Ukraine, they where exchange students, it wouldn’t be fair to anyone to keep them here when their family is somewhere else.
Yes, but they are students in ukraine. Being student in a country while it is invaded does not constitute refugee status, why should it? They can however apply to EU universities under the same rules as anybody else and I see nothing wrong with that.
The EU granted all people fleeing from the war a 2 year stay until March 4, 2024. So it was addressed and they were allowed to stay and shouldn’t have been home 2 years ago. Many people lost access to their documents and given them enough time to get everything in order was the right decision.
But the article is mostly about the shortcomings of the Nigerian government/embassy. Who failed to provide sufficient support and resources to the Nigerians affected by the war. It took them 4 months after the war broke out to evacuate people from Ukraine. And then didn’t help Nigerians in Europe obtaining new visas or residence status for the EU at all. Allegedly not even issuing new Passports except temporary ones to go back to Nigeria.
The stories of affected people are odd choices and won’t create any sympthay from people that are opposed to them staying in the first place, probably making the feelings even worse. A 30 year old woman who left Nigeria at 17 and now “cannot imagine rebuilding her life again, especially as Nigeria experiences a steep economic decline.” And a guy who went to Nigeria, then came to Portugal and is working in customer service. He doesn’t have time to study portuguese to study in portugal, and the embassy isn’t helping them.
I personally still think that number of people affected is so low, that the EU could be more lenien in granting new visas but I suppose there is no legal basis for that.
“extra rights” being what? the right to immigrate? people should be allowed to live where they choose. you almost certainly could live and work in a European nation without being forced to leave in the way these people are. just because you don’t think of that as a right doesn’t mean it isn’t one.
Have you tried empathy? Just put yourself for a moment in their (those students) shoes and you will understand where people who are arguing with you are coming from.
I have logic and see that they would get treated differently than the others coming from their countrys, wich is unfair. Their shoes are just shoes like everyone elses are, they do not deserve a special treatment because that would be unfair for everyone else. They had 2 years to apply for citizenship or international student, those that didn’t do that, go home.
people should be allowed to live where they choose.
I’m not sure if I agree, neither do I strongly disagree. Even though individuals should be allowed to live where they want, communities should also be allowed to decide who they allow to live with them. Collective decisions are the very foundation of a community and what differentiates it from an agglomeration of individuals. Please take into consideration how the latter one would be authoritarian by nature. So, I think both rights are true - that of the individual to freely move and that of the community to build something exclusively for itself - and neccessary for a liberal society. They have to be balanced out carefully.
you almost certainly could live and work in a European nation without being forced to leave in the way these people are
You are right. I am a citizen auf the European Union and hence part of a sovereign community.
I understand many people have fears and concerns about a portion of the refugees because they fear them to be bad people.
But these are Europe-educated students we are talking about. Even the most fearful anti-immigration right-winger cannot possibly have a problem with them.
I don’t have a problem with them, but they shouldn’t be here, they wanted to learn in Ukraine, wich is impossible now, they could have applied for citizenship or international student here in the two years nobody thought about them. Those that didn’t go home now, this was foreseeable and logical.
Good. They don’t belong here or in Ukraine, they where exchange students, it wouldn’t be fair to anyone to keep them here when their family is somewhere else.
you don’t belong here either, and should go back to your peers on Gab.
What? Because i think they should just go home and not be forced to stay in refugee shelters?
Granting a two–year stay to students does not make any sense. They need to stay till graduation, or could have been sent home right away.
Yes, but they are students in ukraine. Being student in a country while it is invaded does not constitute refugee status, why should it? They can however apply to EU universities under the same rules as anybody else and I see nothing wrong with that.
I don’t think they where exactly granted to stay, just that nobody addressed the issue before. And yes they should have been home 2 years ago.
The EU granted all people fleeing from the war a 2 year stay until March 4, 2024. So it was addressed and they were allowed to stay and shouldn’t have been home 2 years ago. Many people lost access to their documents and given them enough time to get everything in order was the right decision.
But the article is mostly about the shortcomings of the Nigerian government/embassy. Who failed to provide sufficient support and resources to the Nigerians affected by the war. It took them 4 months after the war broke out to evacuate people from Ukraine. And then didn’t help Nigerians in Europe obtaining new visas or residence status for the EU at all. Allegedly not even issuing new Passports except temporary ones to go back to Nigeria.
The stories of affected people are odd choices and won’t create any sympthay from people that are opposed to them staying in the first place, probably making the feelings even worse. A 30 year old woman who left Nigeria at 17 and now “cannot imagine rebuilding her life again, especially as Nigeria experiences a steep economic decline.” And a guy who went to Nigeria, then came to Portugal and is working in customer service. He doesn’t have time to study portuguese to study in portugal, and the embassy isn’t helping them.
I personally still think that number of people affected is so low, that the EU could be more lenien in granting new visas but I suppose there is no legal basis for that.
Funny, how you make it sound liberal to grant extra rights to people as long as they are small in numbers.
“extra rights” being what? the right to immigrate? people should be allowed to live where they choose. you almost certainly could live and work in a European nation without being forced to leave in the way these people are. just because you don’t think of that as a right doesn’t mean it isn’t one.
No. People live where they belong and if they don’t have a especially good reason to be here they go home.
They didn’t flee war and they where to go back regardless. They can immigrate normally like everyone else, why should they get special treatment?
Have you tried empathy? Just put yourself for a moment in their (those students) shoes and you will understand where people who are arguing with you are coming from.
I have logic and see that they would get treated differently than the others coming from their countrys, wich is unfair. Their shoes are just shoes like everyone elses are, they do not deserve a special treatment because that would be unfair for everyone else. They had 2 years to apply for citizenship or international student, those that didn’t do that, go home.
I’m not sure if I agree, neither do I strongly disagree. Even though individuals should be allowed to live where they want, communities should also be allowed to decide who they allow to live with them. Collective decisions are the very foundation of a community and what differentiates it from an agglomeration of individuals. Please take into consideration how the latter one would be authoritarian by nature. So, I think both rights are true - that of the individual to freely move and that of the community to build something exclusively for itself - and neccessary for a liberal society. They have to be balanced out carefully.
You are right. I am a citizen auf the European Union and hence part of a sovereign community.
I understand many people have fears and concerns about a portion of the refugees because they fear them to be bad people.
But these are Europe-educated students we are talking about. Even the most fearful anti-immigration right-winger cannot possibly have a problem with them.
I don’t have a problem with them, but they shouldn’t be here, they wanted to learn in Ukraine, wich is impossible now, they could have applied for citizenship or international student here in the two years nobody thought about them. Those that didn’t go home now, this was foreseeable and logical.