• JoShmoe
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    26 days ago

    Now I’m wondering what studies on LGBT prior to the 1930s were even like. I doubt it could have been anything useful.

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      25 days ago

      Hmmm… could there perhaps be a reason why you think past studies would have been awful? Could something have perhaps happened to maybe bias you towards thinking everyone in the past had inhumane attitudes? Maybe some sort of series of events ensured that only negative views were allowed to flourish in official institutions?

      Hmm a real tickler of the noggin. These hypothetical confuse and confound.

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        25 days ago

        Western, studies, germany. I suppose I might have jumped the gun a bit on this on one.

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          25 days ago

          It’s alright, I’m teasing you because the evidence is literally in the picture but there was a concerted effort to destroy any study that produced results other than “queer people are aberrant and torturing them is good actually”.

          Germany before the nazis was extremely progressive in many ways. We can understand the wave of far right support partly as a backlash against progressive concessions won (which, yes, rhymes with something happening now and is exactly as terrifying).

          It’s not just Germany where this happened, although it was the worst. Many Nazi policies had enthusiastic support in other countries right up until the Nazis declared war on them (there are no lessons here don’t think about it too hard).

          Now people act shocked at the sudden appearance of queer people, especially trans people atm, but there’s only a lack of historical evidence because of concerted extermination campaigns like these book burnings and encouraging HIV/AIDS.

          There have always been good, kind, clear-eyed, and compassionate people everywhere. Never let yourself believe the past was exclusively horrible bastards who “didn’t know better”.

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            25 days ago

            If one thinks about the traditional take on transexuality and homosexuality in some Asian countries, it actually makes a lot of sense that at least some Western countries in the past went through stages of being pretty relaxed about it (we know for sure that the Ancient Greeks did).