Hi smart people,
If I have several computers on my home network and I have not set any explicit QoS rules on my router, how is bandwidth allocated? For example, if computer 1 is downloading a torrent at max speed and a second computer starts a download, how is the bandwidth allocation between the two determined? Thanks!
There is no allocation if you haven’t configured any. Whoever can get their shit stuffed in the pipe first wins. From that point, any bottlenecks either FIFO to/from buffers, or if buffers fill up, just start taildropping. TCP (and other transport layer protocols like QUIC) implementations then have a sliding window algorithm that figures out the optimal amount of data to keep in flight at one time based on RTT and any packet loss caused by taildrops along the way.
Note: QUIC is not really a transport layer protocol but uses UDP and builds atop of it.
UDP is hardly a transport layer protocol. It basically adds port numbers and checksum to IP. QUIC is usually described as transport layer since it provides flow/congestion control functionality usually ascribed to transport layer.
Sometimes port numbers is all you need
Sure, hence I said “hardly” rather than “is not.” None of this excludes QUIC from also being transport layer.
I see. I think I understand some of that. Thank you.
Before asking this question, I experienced a situation where I had a download going on computer 1 and then started a download on computer 2. Immediately, the download speed on computer 1 plummeted and the download rate of computer 2 increased to close to the max speed. This persisted until computer 2 finished, then computer 1’s speed picked back up. I was curious why the second download would have seemingly taken precedence.
Latency plays a big role in throughput. If one download target was ‘closer’, i.e. lower latency, it will be able to scale the windowsize higher, therefore allowing more data to flow through for a given connection. Imagine network packets are envelopes and data is paper. Not all envelopes can carry the same amount of paper for a given connection, and the more paper you stuff in your envelope, the faster the transfer completes.
There are a lot of variables that could cause that situation. Were both machines on the same physical link (ethernet vs wifi)? Changes to their RTT could influence it. The only thing I could really add is that you have found the reason QoS mechanisms exist, lol.
edit: I guess I can add this: if computer 1’s download was from a host that has longer total round trip latency than computer 2’s download, computer 2’s download will return ACKs quicker and thus get PSH packets with data quicker than computer 1. This will lead to it filling available bandwidth more easily.
Yes, I think this must be it. Computer 1 was wifi while computer 2 was wired.
Yeah. Wifi has more latency than switched ethernet on average (and really bad worst case latency since it is a shared medium, subject to neighboring RF interference that might not even be from the network, and radios try to handle retransmits on their own).
Torrents open multiple connections with independent congestion control. If the second computer downloads from a single server at the same time, then it’s gonna certainly lose against the torrent.
FIFO.
Torrents will fight to the death for bandwidth, so I’d limit them first.
If you want a really in-depth description, this article will give it to you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion_control
Your torrenting might not be using TCP, but the basic idea is the same.
TL;DR: the router uses some math and so forth to tell both computers to slow down to the point that it’s not overloaded.
Cool, thank you.
