• SnuggleSnail
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    11 months ago

    The headline is wrong. Nobody needs to support Israel. But it is clear you must acknowledge its right to exist.

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        11 months ago

        Is there a growing resentment and hate against rhodesians?

        Is Rhodesia internationally recognised?

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      11 months ago

      Why should a Palestinian recognize Israel’s right to exist? After all, Israel has not even apologized for the terrible acts it committed before its founding as a state. Nor for the terrible acts it committed after the founding of the state to prevent the existence of a state of Palestine for all eternity.

      If you disenfranchise, deprive, humiliate and harass a population in such a way that a certain proportion of that population inevitably grows into terrorists (and even the non-terrorists agree to them), then you should not be surprised if terrorist attacks occur. It is inevitable.

      The first thing one should do in that case is fulfill the duties that come with having power over a population. And next you should talk to representatives of this population, preferably elected representatives of this population.

      Yes, even if they are terrorists, negotiation and government accountability are the best way to turn terrorists into former terrorists. (It has also worked for many Israeli politicians who have had terrorist pasts.)

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        11 months ago

        I don’t want to say what a Palestinian should do.

        But if someone wants to become German, they must not have extremist tendencies. And not recognising an internationally recognised state is an extremist opinion.

        You can still say the Israeli government is committing atrocities and should be removed from office. That is ok.

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      11 months ago

      So you have to support Israel by acknowledging it’s right to exist.

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      11 months ago

      I want you to clarify what you’re speaking of. Do you mean Israel as a state or israelis as in a group of people?

      I frankly don’t think a 60-some-year-old colonial state has a right to exist on stolen land. I do believe the Israelis have a right to live there alongside Palestinians

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          11 months ago

          I’m not the gp, but I thought the article was awfully vague in that regard. It can easily be argued as prohibiting any criticism of Zionism and/or settler colonization.

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            11 months ago

            And that’s by design! Just google “saschen nazi” and you’ll find tons of problematic shit from Nazis and right-wing extremists which this state does absolutely nothing against. But now they suddenly care about anti-semitism when it comes from foreigners? Yeah right ;-). This law for sure won’t be used in good faith but will be abused to deny as many foreigners as possible.

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        11 months ago

        18 countries have been founded in the last 60 years. That’s almost 10% of all countries. I don’t think that can be a valid indicator.