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Make people aware of it?? I’m on lemmy all day and filtering by all and local and saw like two passing references to this.
Definitely contact bigger instance admins and get a sticky post going before/during the events
Yeah p.d admin here. I only found out about the event when someone in my instance made a comment referencing it when it was underway.
Getting contacts with admins of various instances ready to give them information as new events roll around is going to be key for growing participants. If people want I can set up a matrix chat for showing off and giving info for future lemmy events and then that can be centralized into there instead of needing to do separate dms.
Theres already an instance admin chat but would likely drown out the event posts since there’s other topics discussed in there
I sent a couple messages into the Lemmy Instance admins Matrix room, but a lot of instances ignored the posts I made 😅
lemmy.world was voting internally on when to announce it but the event would’ve been over before the internal voting concluded they are interested in joining the next event tho 👀
and to any Lemmy instance admins reading this, join the admin room so you can be aware of the next one :)
I should just flag that I was the first to join the Matrix channel but actually didn’t get a tag notification. I was surprised to see it had launched!
In fediverse@lw there were three separate announcements
Hexagon pixels. (Or weirdly shaped areas to be filled). It would force more creativity and get rid of all designs from previous rounds.
Weirdly shaped canvas yes, weirdly shaped pixels no, in my opinion. Not until I have a computer with hexagon pixels.
Doing a theme each year with an appropriately shaped canvas would make each year feel distinct
I’d like the option to place white pixels on virgin white pixels as a form of grief protection.
same really helped create art, i would like to see this in the future
Offical user stats after it is done. Maybe a map to see all your placed pixels? Something like that.
Placement data is available in the official final post, it’s up to us to process it into nice maps. I expect that to happen in the coming days.
Ok!
Run an extra day or two, so everyone gets some weekend and week day? Between shift workers and countries with different weekends, Sat/Sun is still a workday for many.
Thursday-Monday feels good, perhaps with one of the modifications discussed here halfway through.
I think one issue is that it’s no fun to defend your patch for too long. Any future even is likely to have twice as many participants, and anything drawn on the Thursday is likely gone by the Monday without a team to defend it.
That’s true, but one thing I liked about r/place was the evolution of designs - for example a massive flag would appear early on, be fought over and then the flag would shrink to a more defensible size and the rest of the flag became a different thing. The time lapse was fascinating because of this.
The culture here is more cooperative and less troll-y (trollful? trollesque?) so I’d hope/expect to see more collaborative solutions. I know once I’d helped place the fuck cars logo I threw my pixels into helping build unfinished designs or repair existing ones.
Yeah, it will be interesting how the community here evolves over time. Definitely this Canvas event had people working together, respecting other designs, and helping out other projects; but I wonder if it would be the same if we didn’t have ample space.
Oh, it definitely wouldn’t be the same - five seconds with a history book could tell you that - it’s just a question of how quickly we’d go savage 😅
I agree about the “evolution” part of the designs. People really need some sweet time, at least 10 days (starting Friday, finishing at the next Sunday).
I didn’t see it so sorry if it’s been said, but I would like it if you didn’t have the timer set to 1min when replacing pixels you yourself placed. Thank you, and thank you for doing all of this! It was great!
Better mobile support for templates, like buttons to toggle visibility
Depending on whats possible, we could do something similar to R/place and every so often expand the canvas start off with something small eg.512x512 and add another 512 px. along side
If I remember right, r/place “scaled up” by adding more blank canvas. But it might be more interesting to actually scale up the previous pixels as well, so each iteration is overlaying the previous one with higher detail.
The end result wouldn’t look as empty, because it would be easier to fill large areas early on.
Or to make it more realistic, let it expand like the universe. I.e. add extra space between each two pixels:
example
w=blank/white, b=non-blank wwwww wbbbw wbbww wwwww -> wwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwww wwbwbwbwww wwwwwwwwww wwbwbwwwww wwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwOr keep non-blank pixels together, because of pixel bounds.
Interesting idea. That would perhaps wreck a lot of pixel art, but I guess it’d be fine scaled up to 2x2 pixels as you often see it like that anyway.
If that happens, it should be a surprise - would really throw a spanner in the works and make it a unique event. The more I think about this idea, the more I like it!
i like this alot would be really interesting to see.
I like this idea. It also allows filling the previous larger art with more detail. Maybe once 50% of the Virgin pixels are used, it scales up.
Bad idea , this will result in most active faction taking over space with every expansion
could decrease the amount of time between expansions?
Not sure that will help, maybe based on time zones (Do it when the Germans are asleep ) 🤫
Permanent one working with a different model. Like 1 pixel per hour with a fixed drop rate (instead of this “stay and place as fast as you can for best performance”), and you can hold like 36 pixels. So basically you drop a few dozen pixels daily then you’re done. After every 100,000 clicks, you move the window 100 pixels to the right, making the leftmost 100 pixels locked forever creating a slowly growing endless immutable banner.
Infinite German flag? Sounds like an infinite German flag to me
You could mitigate that by adding a limited, rotating color pallet. every time pixels are locked two colors are taken away and two different colors are added. You would always be able to see beforehand when certain colors would be made available, enabling a new level of planing. It also forces creative solutions in defending your art
That idea would even work standalone without the immutable thing
Call it Tapestry
Infinitapestry.
36 pixels at once would be fine early on when there’s plenty of room and everyone’s doing their own thing, but once it starts to fill up and people start interacting more, other people need time to respond to each pixel.
Maybe have the number go down over time, or say every time you overwrite an existing pixel it reduces your total stack capacity.
Well my point with 36 pixels is that it would let people use the site in a healthy way (daily) but also allow decent velocity of creation for a slow-developing canvas. The details could be tweaked I just figured “once a day sounds right, no pressure then” and "150 users doing 24 pixels per day would fill a 10th of the canvas (the scroll-right number, 100,000 pixels) in a month. Obviously the numbers could be tweaked depending on activity of the community and the dimensions of the editable canvas, I would just say targeting a good experience for “daily use” is healthy for a permanent site. Because I know my use of this site this weekend was anything but healthy.
Maybe put the cap at 16 (assuming hourly pixel generation), so you can hit the site twice daily plus a little wiggle room while still reaching peak output. Too often the canvas felt like being the little Dutch boy with the finger in the dike.
Imho the approach of punishing overwriting with slower regen is the right move - every overwrite pixel you place should add a 1 pixel delay to your pixel generation, so vandalizing (and repairing) takes twice as long as creating.
In the future, please do not ignore clear cases of abuse. The logs you published fully support the report reasons given by me in the case of one individual using 6 accounts, all newly made and going straight to grief as their first actions and throughout.
the pxls backend was spammed by reports done by the software itself (such as “account logged in with ip shared with 2,000 other users” due to a bug related to reverse proxy settings)
a lot of them we just couldn’t get to because the aforementioned bug created 60+ pages of reports with no bulk delete or filter options
next year’s system will be a lot better setup to avoid these types of issues happening tho!
Fair enough, but you were also personally aware of my post pointing out the issue, while @Gurkinator@toast.ooo sent me a message saying they’d check the logs in connection to this again, to which I replied by sending the account names in a PM.
I’ll PM you excerpts from the log that are quite conclusive about it being extremely likely to be the same person based on their activity. Hopefully it will help you be more prepared for something like this in the future.
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I’ve not touched the Volt stuff. Check the logs.
Ah ok i thought you were one of them. Sry mb
My son came up with a great idea where we could add a short pop-up note to a pixel or coordinate, perhaps with a viewing expiry time or until the pixel is changed, which would allow for direct communication with other people on the canvas. You could activate the note with a right click of the mouse, for example.
Maybe also unsolicitedly notify any users who recently placed pixels in a radius around the message.
I think doing it more often than reddit would be cool, not super frequent, maybe twice a year. For now the gui is amazing, and i loved this iteration of canvas!
I agree, we can just let it be a free for all but maybe someday we’ll do around events or something, so there are themes for everyone to try following (like around Christmas, the Linux community does a penguin with a Santa hat)
Agreed. Commercial sites like reddit like to create false scarcity. Doesn’t have to be done all the time, but every 3-6 months might be good.
Also if it’s advertised in advance more people will know about it
This first year it could be done a few more times trying out a lot of the suggestions in this thread. That’s the other thing about having this not controlled by a commercial site like you said, we can actually act on new ideas and not just take whatever they decide to give us.
I disagree. Even people on Reddit thought once a year was too often, twice will definitely lead to burnout.
We could definitely do it yearly because the community is growing and a lot of people didn’t even know it was happening, but more than that will just turn it into a chore.
Also, after its done we can do something like r/place atlas too.
The data is publicly available for everyone in the thank you post
I am honestly worn out from running & maintaining the event to write it myself, but I welcome anyone to develop this tool for everyone :)
If someone decides to make this, just post it here or message me on matrix and I’ll pin it on this community!
I’m sure you’ve got this already from a load of places, but thanks for all the effort in putting this together—it was good fun and it’s nice to see we can do events like this on lemmy
The chat wasn’t working for me. There is a hotkey (‘B’) for that but nothing appeared for me and I don’t know if something was wonky on my end. Would be nice to be able to easily communicate with other peeps during the event.
Like xuv said, it was a matter of moderation and how Matrix is much better setup for moderation. I failed to remove the mentions to the chat though, which did confuse people, sorry about that.
for next years I would like to better connect the on-site chat with Matrix to make chatting a lot easier (and bridging a Discord server to the Matrix space)
for next years I would like to better connect the on-site chat with Matrix
That would be great!
This would be ideal.
It doesn’t really help to enable factions if they don’t have a mechanism to chat internally. More there’s a need to be able to reach out to ask unknown someone what they’re up to without escalating.
Given that it’s not always easy to search up and private message someone new on another instance, and some don’t want to use Lemmy’s insecure messaging, a direct link to a secure chat would be a huge help.
xuv and others working on the StarTrek space were able to connect and collaborate using a thread I set up on the StarTrek dedicated instance. I saw that working for c/Canada on Lemmy.ca and emulated. That doesn’t work for all however. (And as it wasn’t stickied in the main StarTrek community, not everyone saw it in a timely way.)
There were a couple questions about that here where the admin said they disabled it because they expected people to chat on Matrix instead. I imagine that’s easier to moderate etc but it would’ve definitely been more user friendly to have the built in one.
Make the event 1-2 days longer (total 4-5 days). 3 days was too short
