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Is this uncommon? During high school in the US in 2005, we’d get our phones taken by teachers if they saw us with it or heard it.
This is an all-day thing. Put em in the box when you get there, pick it up when you leave.
We weren’t supposed to have them at all, all day. And if it got taken, they’d keep it until your parent came to get it from the office.
Phones now are a way more important part of people’s (and especially teenagers’) lives than they were back then. And they’re often also used to support lessons.
I was in middle school in 2005 and had basically no friends largely because I had no phone to text with.
SAME. We had no texting plan because the phone companies charged per-text at the time.
That’s when I learned about the email gateways for all the major carriers so at least I could “text” when I was at home via email.
I didn’t figure out that particular trick until pretty late, unfortunately, but it did serve me VERY well during high school.
The highschool I went to 10-12th for allowed phones and the policy was up to each teacher. Some wanted them in a basket at the start of class, some said if they see it out and it’s not an emergency they’d take it, and most were just expecting you to self regulate and not use it during lectures.
That worked. If they were up at the front talking, don’t be dicking around on your phone, but then when it was pencil on paper time or reading time, you could use it to listen to music or text/etc as long as your work go lt done and your grades kept up. Hell, phones were encouraged to look things up for essays or used as replacement for an expensive graphing calculator, and kahoot was a big thing too.
I’d say 90% of 10-12th aged teens are fine self regulating within rules that treat them less like prisoners and more like young adults. There are the 10% that cant, yeah, but the rules for the 100% shouldn’t be made because 10% can’t self regulate.
The highschool I went to for 9th and every school I went to before that banned phones and mp3 players. Guess what we all had anyways? Are the teachers supposed to do extra work to ensure no teen had a cell phone? I even remember we had a whole assembly about it where the principal said something along the lines of “we know alot of parents want one on their kids for emergencies, but it’s against policy”. That’s ridiculous.
the rules for the 100% shouldn’t be made because 10% can’t self regulate.
But making the people who can’t behave, behave anyway is basically the only reason we have laws.
the rules for the 100% shouldn’t be made because 10% can’t self regulate.
Unfortunately that’s hard to avoid, because those 10% will disturb lessons and take up the teacher’s attention, thereby negatively affecting the other students.
Are the teachers supposed to do extra work to ensure no teen had a cell phone?
It’s way easier for a teacher to take away a phone that disturbs a lesson when there are not supposed to be phones in the first place, than have to argue about exceptions and limits to the rules every time.
I agree and sympathise with your overall philosophy, but I’m also conscious of the practical limits, unfortunately.
Okay but in my school, they could already just take your phone if they wanted, their class their rules, no argument needed, but in the other school I went to it was like they were expected to.dig through kids backpacks and have them empty their pockets to find their phones they didn’t even have out
Yeah the latter definitely sounds excessive. As for “no argument needed”, I can tell you that even if no argument is needed, that doesn’t mean that students won’t go for one :P
So I’m super curious if anyone has a good reason to not do this. I’m generally for a ban but news like this always seems to get a negative response (at least here in the states)
My schools did this back in the mid-2000s and early-2010s. Strict rules on cell phones and electronic devices, weren’t even allowed to have them on you, much less use them.
Never worked. Impossible to enforce without having the teachers play prison guard.
There have been plenty of trials, and many schools have done this voluntarily already (If only to figure out how to implement this new law), and from what I hear it’s working quite well.
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Well the problem here is that phones are an addictive substance in a sense; they diminish capacity and create a near inescapable dopamine cycle for a developing mind.
Your comment might as well read “Education with Cocaine and Speed, and about them is important, not forcing everyone to behave like the stuff doesn’t exist…”
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Given your attitudes to scientific study outcomes, I recommend perhaps you’d do better in a regressive society where science won’t bother you or prompt changes to behaviours you don’t want to change.
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Maybe I am. I also was a teacher in the Dutch education system, so maybe I’m speaking with a much greater understanding of the impacts on the classroom than you are. Phones are addictive in some senses and restricting access to them and likewise connected devices should be considered if they are having a proven impact on schooling, which they are. Maybe they won’t need to be restricted forever, I would hope not, but as technological advancement outstrips society’s ability to affect change to match we need some controls.
I chose my example of cocaine specifically, unlike cheese and fats there is a direct psychological and dopamine impact to Phones. Your examples of shopping and sugar are telling though, as shopping isn’t something you can do in the middle of a class, and many educational systems have come round to the idea that maybe refined sugar isn’t conducive to concentration, and have thus banned sale on school grounds and some have gone as far to ban it’s consumption too.
So perhaps I am a moron, but in this topic I’m speaking with a much better understanding of the subject than perhaps you’re giving me credit for. Engaging with the reasons for a change you don’t like can help you understand how best to affect a different change that more closely aligns with your views, instead of taking a “regulation is bad” stance and therefore throwing out totally inane counters.
Or you can call me names on the internet for not agreeing with you. Deine Wahl, Fotzengesicht.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
From next month, secondary school pupils in the Netherlands will no longer be able to use their phones in the classroom.
The ban, which comes into force January 2024, will not only prohibit mobile phones, but also iPads, smartwatches and similar devices.
The government, which announced the change back in July, cites distracted pupils and low educational performance as reasons for the ban.
Aside from the government decision, some schools had already independently imposed rules for pupils to put their phones in lockers for the duration of the school day.
Other countries are proposing similar legislation.
The incoming ban in the Netherlands comes at the same time as UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has proposed banning social media for under 16s.
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This is brilliant
I’m a teacher in the USA. Cell phones are the worst thing to happen to education, period.
Professor in France… Same boat as you.
Wut.? I didn’t hear you I was not paying attention. I WAS paying attention because this helps me focus. I was listening to music and shopping online and playing cookie 🍪 clicker and texting my mom because someone just died and do you mind and I was paying attention!!! But could you repeat the entire thing you were just saying as though I didn’t hear anything you said??? I paid attention but somehow I don’t understand…
Ha, that’s fairly close. Except my students are 19 to 25 and play Suika Game on their MacBook Pros. We keep a journal of what we taught and said each day because when the he exam comes they complain the content wasn’t taught in class, then they give bad evaluations to the prof and leave comments like, “the professor should be more strict with computers and phones in class.”
No phones / No computers is my only rule!
They’re excuse is, “I’m taking notes! I didn’t spend €1200 on this to leave it in my backpack!”
