Analysts have warned Windows 10 end of life plans could spark a global torrent of e-waste, with millions of devices expected to be scrapped in the coming years. 

Research from Canalys shows that up to 240 million PCs globally could be terminated as a result of the shift over to Windows 11, raising critical questions about device refreshes and the responsibility of vendors to extend life cycles.

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    11 months ago

    The cause is what should matter because that’s what could influence future decisions.

    And there is no Wayland mandate anyway so I don’t understand that side of the argument either - there is no “Linux” in this room who decided to switch…

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      11 months ago

      So then Linux as a community needs to foster better working relations and funding for developers to get major things working on their platform.

      there is no “Linux” in this room who decided to switch…

      No, it’s more of a community hivemind which is part of the issue. A hivemind can act together for the most part but it increasingly becomes hard to have direction on a hivemind. It goes where it wants, you can’t direct it but only offer it paths. So the majority of Linux users seem to want to scream that Linux is fine to use for common users while also saying “Well we don’t need to be a majority OS anyways, we shouldn’t invest time into trying to become one.” Any feedback actual users give to Linux communities ends up like this discussion, just filled with excuses or remarks that the user is holding it wrong. Using the wrong hardware, using the wrong distro, not being knowledgeable enough. Yet they do nothing to resolve those issues.

      So regarding this part:

      that’s what could influence future decisions.

      I don’t think anything can do that. Linux future decisions aren’t influenceable except by contributors and they do what they want without really being able to tell them that the OS they’ve contributed to is somehow broken.

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        See and that’s what’s backwards from my point of view. Even though I was on win mainly back then I refused to buy Nvidia because of their shitty practices.

        I’m talking about your and my behavior not about anyone else. :)

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          Cool, AMD also isn’t a saint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_FX#Controversy https://www.pcgamer.com/starfield-partners-with-amd-and-oh-boy-the-internet-is-not-happy/ every major company has it’s issues. I don’t hate AMD, I’d probably still buy them if I found them as good as Nvidia but overall I don’t. They still do some shady stuff like blocking rival upscalers or straight-up lying to customers.

          So if you base your opinion of a company around one thing, that’s fine. More power to you. I see these large corporate hardware overlords as all the same and work with what makes my life easier.

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            My base opinion is flexibility. You blamed first Linux then Wayland now you’re what about AMD… What’s YOUR point?

            You can stick with windows and Nvidia your whole life all I ask is not spread your bullshit from your OP.

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              11 months ago

              My point is every large piece of tech is flawed and you have to find what you can work with. My original comment (not post, btw) isn’t bullshit and if you want to insult people, go to a different instance. This is beehaw, Be nice. I’m not going to carry on a conversation with you calling names and acting clearly in bad faith. If you don’t like my opinion, don’t engage but I am able to have a my reasonable opinion about software.