I never said that. but thanks for letting us know your true feelings. I’m pretty sure the stalker was offended for the same reason as you are, I’m pretty sure of his real account as well but it’s irrelevant. what’s rellevantt is that the fact that I don’t think socialism is the best system ever doesn’t mean you guys can create alt accoutns just to harrras me.
I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
@Zima@FfaerieOxide stop being so silly. why would you come onto the internets, publicly post stuff that’s apparently a little chaotic, and then not expect some backlash…?
and then you expect strangers to protect you from the free service they are paying for you to use…? why don’t you just get better with your words? or post in places that are more supportive of whatever opinions you’re promoting? or start your own instance?
I don’t think that having some semblance of knowledge of history is chaotic. I do think that if admins want this instance to trhive they woudl address this types of issues if they have the resources. It doesn’t matter if you don’t agree.
edit3: I should have started by pointing out that you could have read my comment in the first place if you really wanted to know what I wanted to say, it’s unambiguous so there really should be no confusssion and it’s clear i never referenced colllonialism or any of the other bullshit claims made here. given that you are voting down some of my other comments after this interaction shows your true intentions, even if you avoid voting down this one. it seems that some people still don’t understand that all this info is public on the fediverse.
well It’s not the real issue at point but if you want me to ellaborate. there is some really weird thing that happened during the enlightehment period where a lot of people in europe argued that slavery was not right, supposedly according to historians (and I’m still not buying this part as it seems too self serving) it was because it wasn’t aligned with christian values. I’ll spend some time looking into william rutheford when I have time to seee if there is any factual evidence behind this claim. anyways the point is that europeans spend massive amount of resources and their own lives ending the slave trade in africa by forcing africans to stop enslaving other africans. that’s what I was talking about. I never said europeans enslaved or didn’t slave anyone.
the context was a submission about reparations. i am not extremely knowledgable about history but my argument was that many europeans died ending the slave trade, be it against pirates, slave traders or diseases in africa, and they were not doing it for profit so anyone asking for reparations is denying all that sacrifice.
edit: since some people are claiming i’m an asshole as if that somehow justified the stalking i feel I shoudl clarify. the weird part is that those people were willing to pay a prize for their beliefes and embark on ships on expeditions where they literraly had no expectation of profit and were risking their lives. I’m not saying that’s wrong . i’ts so incredibly admirable that I personally have a difficult time believing it. to put this in better context for current times in my views this is as if many people suddenly decided to give up their cozy lives in america and decided to go to third world countries to help them. it happens but it’s nowhere near the volume of volunteers needed to uplift all people from poverty.
edit2: trolls might think that they “got me” by making me spend the time producing a real answer but in reality it just shows that oxide was lying and this people are either pro-slavery or just harrasing.
I never said that. but thanks for letting us know your true feelings. I’m pretty sure the stalker was offended for the same reason as you are, I’m pretty sure of his real account as well but it’s irrelevant. what’s rellevantt is that the fact that I don’t think socialism is the best system ever doesn’t mean you guys can create alt accoutns just to harrras me.
Really, this isn’t you saying it’s African’s fault Europeans enslaved them?
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You seem to be side-stepping the whole “Europeans bought and bred humans” part.
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I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
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Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
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You keep trying to inverse/distort my claims. What is this fabrication about debt peonage? How does it relate to my actual statement?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
Why don’t you quote what I said instead of your inversed/distorted version of it?
@Zima @FfaerieOxide regardless what you said or didn’t say, this is the fediverse. mute/block them and move on, it’s really all you can do.
if you’re accountable to what you say then what do you care if others try to distort it? the truth is out there.
yes. as long as it’s legimitate users. the moment they start creating fuckyou<username> alt accounts just to harras I think they should be banned.
@Zima @FfaerieOxide also, exactly who would ban them on the fediverse
i don’t think you understand how silly you are.
kbin admins/global mods. that’s what I’m trying to find out from this post.
@Zima @FfaerieOxide stop being so silly. why would you come onto the internets, publicly post stuff that’s apparently a little chaotic, and then not expect some backlash…?
and then you expect strangers to protect you from the free service they are paying for you to use…? why don’t you just get better with your words? or post in places that are more supportive of whatever opinions you’re promoting? or start your own instance?
https://kbin.social/contact
i’m really getting a kick out of this.
I don’t think that having some semblance of knowledge of history is chaotic. I do think that if admins want this instance to trhive they woudl address this types of issues if they have the resources. It doesn’t matter if you don’t agree.
@Zima @FfaerieOxide what exactly is your definition of a legitimate user
Is there a point to your question?
What are you trying to say then?
edit3: I should have started by pointing out that you could have read my comment in the first place if you really wanted to know what I wanted to say, it’s unambiguous so there really should be no confusssion and it’s clear i never referenced colllonialism or any of the other bullshit claims made here. given that you are voting down some of my other comments after this interaction shows your true intentions, even if you avoid voting down this one. it seems that some people still don’t understand that all this info is public on the fediverse.
well It’s not the real issue at point but if you want me to ellaborate. there is some really weird thing that happened during the enlightehment period where a lot of people in europe argued that slavery was not right, supposedly according to historians (and I’m still not buying this part as it seems too self serving) it was because it wasn’t aligned with christian values. I’ll spend some time looking into william rutheford when I have time to seee if there is any factual evidence behind this claim. anyways the point is that europeans spend massive amount of resources and their own lives ending the slave trade in africa by forcing africans to stop enslaving other africans. that’s what I was talking about. I never said europeans enslaved or didn’t slave anyone.
the context was a submission about reparations. i am not extremely knowledgable about history but my argument was that many europeans died ending the slave trade, be it against pirates, slave traders or diseases in africa, and they were not doing it for profit so anyone asking for reparations is denying all that sacrifice.
edit: since some people are claiming i’m an asshole as if that somehow justified the stalking i feel I shoudl clarify. the weird part is that those people were willing to pay a prize for their beliefes and embark on ships on expeditions where they literraly had no expectation of profit and were risking their lives. I’m not saying that’s wrong . i’ts so incredibly admirable that I personally have a difficult time believing it. to put this in better context for current times in my views this is as if many people suddenly decided to give up their cozy lives in america and decided to go to third world countries to help them. it happens but it’s nowhere near the volume of volunteers needed to uplift all people from poverty.
edit2: trolls might think that they “got me” by making me spend the time producing a real answer but in reality it just shows that oxide was lying and this people are either pro-slavery or just harrasing.