I agree that the games have gone downhill, but given that the last game they put out sold 20+ million copies, id hardly say the franchise is in the toilet lol
What the fuck are you talking about? How does quantity have to relate to quality at all. Find anybody that’s played all Pokemon games that will say the latest installments are best.
The game is garbage carried by nostalgia and people that will buy the games regardless of how shit they are because they love being pokemon fans
wow - there’s a level of toxicity in response that I’d expect from reddit, not lemmy.
We’re talking about a childrens video game franchise here, so maybe let’s take the hostility down a few notches? I’m happy to talk about this, but I’m also happy to block you if you wanna carry on acting like we’re on reddit.
And my point was that (whether you agree or not) a franchises success is based off how well it can sell it’s own product, and Pokemon has no problem selling games. And again, the game is marketed primarily at children, not the hardcore players who have been playing since Pokemon Red way back in the day - and my nephews absolutely love Pokemon.
I wasn’t arguing that the new games are good (they aren’t), but you can’t argue they aren’t successful
Given that “in the toilet” isn’t exactly a rigidly defined term, I certainly can’t tell you that your definition of it is objectively wrong
I’d point out again though that you and I (I’m assuming from your comments that you’re an adult who grew up with “old school” pokemon games) are not their target audience. It’s a children’s video game, and it’s built and marketed for them, not us. And the fact is, that as far as I can tell (based off anecdotal experience with kids I know, and from sales numbers) the modern pokemon games are still a huge hit with kids.
In my experience, most people who get really worked up about the modern pokemon games are expecting them to be built with adult hardcore fans in mind (people complaining about a lack of competitive features or “end-game content”, for example) - but the fact is that adult hardcore fans make up a tiny percentage of their actual market, and most adults buying pokemon games are buying them for their kids
I agree that the games have gone downhill, but given that the last game they put out sold 20+ million copies, id hardly say the franchise is in the toilet lol
What the fuck are you talking about? How does quantity have to relate to quality at all. Find anybody that’s played all Pokemon games that will say the latest installments are best.
The game is garbage carried by nostalgia and people that will buy the games regardless of how shit they are because they love being pokemon fans
wow - there’s a level of toxicity in response that I’d expect from reddit, not lemmy.
We’re talking about a childrens video game franchise here, so maybe let’s take the hostility down a few notches? I’m happy to talk about this, but I’m also happy to block you if you wanna carry on acting like we’re on reddit.
And my point was that (whether you agree or not) a franchises success is based off how well it can sell it’s own product, and Pokemon has no problem selling games. And again, the game is marketed primarily at children, not the hardcore players who have been playing since Pokemon Red way back in the day - and my nephews absolutely love Pokemon.
I wasn’t arguing that the new games are good (they aren’t), but you can’t argue they aren’t successful
This is exactly what I would consider “in the toilet” to mean, though.
Given that “in the toilet” isn’t exactly a rigidly defined term, I certainly can’t tell you that your definition of it is objectively wrong
I’d point out again though that you and I (I’m assuming from your comments that you’re an adult who grew up with “old school” pokemon games) are not their target audience. It’s a children’s video game, and it’s built and marketed for them, not us. And the fact is, that as far as I can tell (based off anecdotal experience with kids I know, and from sales numbers) the modern pokemon games are still a huge hit with kids.
In my experience, most people who get really worked up about the modern pokemon games are expecting them to be built with adult hardcore fans in mind (people complaining about a lack of competitive features or “end-game content”, for example) - but the fact is that adult hardcore fans make up a tiny percentage of their actual market, and most adults buying pokemon games are buying them for their kids
hey man hope you have a better day. I can tell it must be rough if you’re getting this angry over pokemon.