Maybe we’ll see planned communities pop up that pool resources and create their own “circular economy”. Certain things are incredibly cheap today, e.g. learning how to do things. And technology can make certain basics needed to live very cheap. Food, water, energy, housing, education, safety, medical, community.
If you could e.g. buy some farmland and build a compact apartment block out of e.g. shipping containers (or something even cheaper) then you could produce your own food, have your own school (partially over internet), a doctor / medic, and have workshops to make and maintain whatever you need.
Maybe the “buy in” costs for each person could be pretty low, like 10-20k.
A kind of “democratization” of economy for the basic needs. The global economy is completely out of whack because nobody can compete with mass produced garbage and marketing, so our work is getting worth less and less and we’re getting poorer.
Yeah ok sure, but this site has shown me theres a good reason to distrust someone who call themselves a communist. China and Russia are TERRIBLE examples of where the world should head, yet a LOT of the communists on this site are Tankies
My example is explicitly not “state-socialism” (where all economic power is concentrated in the hands of very few) and most socialists think Russia is a far right government. Unfortunately the hardened battle lines make it very hard to discuss the failures of either state socialism or plutocracy, while pretty much all agree that massive concentration of economic power is shit.
But on a small scale like a planned community these things actually do work much better.
Gasp! Sir, this is a micro-federation of free people! :D
I don’t really care what you call it, it shouldn’t be about ideology but about economy benefit and freedom from economic exploitation. But you’ll definitely be facing anti-socialist propaganda. It’s possible that certain advances in technology allow for a life in relative luxury (e.g. rich in free time, rich in stability, rich in self determination). Things like 3D printers don’t quite get us there, but if you could invent / develop or genetically engineer access to raw materials. You’d still need quite a few “vitamins” like microprocessors etc so you’d still need to import some stuff and export some labour or goods.
Not exactly, the proper umbrella term would be “intentional community” and there are many forms that would not fit that label.
PS: Mostly I’d avoid that term because of the negative propaganda. You see OP, everyone agrees shit is ridiculously bad, then you see accusations of being a “tankie” when you suggest any alternative. But there are also many (failed) social engineering ideas that are associated with communes.
We are saying the same thing here man, you’re just not wanting to say commune because it’s too close to the word communism… When a commune doesn’t strictly mean a communist village.
The wikipedia you linked to even says that it’s a synonym for a commune.
Also being a tankie is way different than wanting more progressive legislation. Though I understand your point.
Yes you’re right, unfortunately I failed haha. The wikipedia article even says “Also the alternative term commune is considered to be non-neutral or even linked to leftist politics or hippies.”
Maybe we’ll see planned communities pop up that pool resources and create their own “circular economy”. Certain things are incredibly cheap today, e.g. learning how to do things. And technology can make certain basics needed to live very cheap. Food, water, energy, housing, education, safety, medical, community.
If you could e.g. buy some farmland and build a compact apartment block out of e.g. shipping containers (or something even cheaper) then you could produce your own food, have your own school (partially over internet), a doctor / medic, and have workshops to make and maintain whatever you need.
Maybe the “buy in” costs for each person could be pretty low, like 10-20k.
A kind of “democratization” of economy for the basic needs. The global economy is completely out of whack because nobody can compete with mass produced garbage and marketing, so our work is getting worth less and less and we’re getting poorer.
That sounds like a commune with extra steps.
That reminds me of this meme
Yeah ok sure, but this site has shown me theres a good reason to distrust someone who call themselves a communist. China and Russia are TERRIBLE examples of where the world should head, yet a LOT of the communists on this site are Tankies
My example is explicitly not “state-socialism” (where all economic power is concentrated in the hands of very few) and most socialists think Russia is a far right government. Unfortunately the hardened battle lines make it very hard to discuss the failures of either state socialism or plutocracy, while pretty much all agree that massive concentration of economic power is shit.
But on a small scale like a planned community these things actually do work much better.
Gasp! Sir, this is a micro-federation of free people! :D
I don’t really care what you call it, it shouldn’t be about ideology but about economy benefit and freedom from economic exploitation. But you’ll definitely be facing anti-socialist propaganda. It’s possible that certain advances in technology allow for a life in relative luxury (e.g. rich in free time, rich in stability, rich in self determination). Things like 3D printers don’t quite get us there, but if you could invent / develop or genetically engineer access to raw materials. You’d still need quite a few “vitamins” like microprocessors etc so you’d still need to import some stuff and export some labour or goods.
So… A commune then… I’m sorry I’m not trying to troll you, but you quite literally are defining a commune.
Not exactly, the proper umbrella term would be “intentional community” and there are many forms that would not fit that label.
PS: Mostly I’d avoid that term because of the negative propaganda. You see OP, everyone agrees shit is ridiculously bad, then you see accusations of being a “tankie” when you suggest any alternative. But there are also many (failed) social engineering ideas that are associated with communes.
We are saying the same thing here man, you’re just not wanting to say commune because it’s too close to the word communism… When a commune doesn’t strictly mean a communist village.
The wikipedia you linked to even says that it’s a synonym for a commune.
Also being a tankie is way different than wanting more progressive legislation. Though I understand your point.
Yes you’re right, unfortunately I failed haha. The wikipedia article even says “Also the alternative term commune is considered to be non-neutral or even linked to leftist politics or hippies.”
You failed at nothing friend. We were just getting on the same page, and giving two labels for the same thing.
solarpunk!
Definitely! But most solarpunk I’ve seen isn’t realistic about the amount of land you need to produce enough calories for food.