Europe will lose all credibility if Russia wins in Ukraine, warns Macron
www.telegraph.co.uk
French president invokes Winston Churchill’s call to maintain the ‘sinews of peace’ in a prime-time interview on his stance on the conflict

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The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

  • branchial@feddit.deEnglish
    615·
    4 months ago

    How can ukraine even win? Like there is no venue left other than NATO troops… oh…

    • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
      15·
      4 months ago

      They are evenly matched with Russia with regard to quality troops. It doesn’t matter how many randos you’ve in your back country, both countries have a sizeable enough population.

      The thing that matters is how many cohesive units can you train and get to the frontlines. That is around 50k troops per half a year. If Russia loses more than that, it will start to have problems replacing troops, like it had when all those videos came out with guys armed with Mosins, or even unarmed, trying to fill in units that sustained hard losses. OTOH Russia is suffering casualties of around 3:1, which it absolutely cannot sustain. If it keeps “winning” as it did in Avdiivka, by the way they get a third of the way to Kyiv, there is no Russian army.

      Even with artillery, while they are great at shell production, their quality of guns have declined sharply. They went from 80% self-propelled to 80% towed since the start of the war, and a significant portion of that is WWII D-10s with an effective range of 10 km. Some FPV drones can do more than that.

      Point is, Ukraine can totally win if the West keeps up its current level of support. The question is whether it will do that, especially with the US elections that are coming up.

      • Truck_kun@beehaw.orgEnglish
        6·
        4 months ago

        Also to be kept in mind is what winning is for Ukraine.

        That is for Ukraine to decide, but it is decidedly not conquering Russia.

        The point being, Ukraine doesn’t need to be supplied to the level of razing Moscow and St. Petersburg to the ground; simply enough to defend their borders/land, push back Russian troops, and causing some long range strategic damage behind Russian borders.