Instagram, FB Mesenger, SMS…? IDK why you guys don’t just use WhatsApp. It’s the standard messaging app everywhere in the world (except the US, of course)
EDIT: Wow, lots of people in denial ITT. Look, it’s simple: you can hate Meta/Facebook as much as you want (and I do), but you can’t deny that WhatsApp is a great product, feature-wise. People who compare it to SMS, Instagram chat, FB messenger or anything else are honestly laughable. The only service that can hold a candle against it is perhaps Telegram
Owned by meta but better than fb and insta messages because of e2ee.
Still wish i could delete it (have it inside a shelter work profile).
Matrix bridging is an option for whatsapp as well as sms, discord, and others, although it does make using these services more private (beyond not having the app installed).
Not that I use it or am fond of it, but wouldn’t Telegram be more of a middle ground in this context?
It’s not big corporate (Meta), nor smaller nonprofit or decentralized/self-hosted (Signal/Matrix~Element), and is a business offering a messaging app with encryption options one may enable as desired.
How is it not better? Are you actually arguing that plaintext and e2e encrypted messages are somewhat equivalent? It IS better, period. Not ideal because it’s still owned by Meta, but definitely better
If the creator of WhatsApp was willing to walk away from billions of dollars because he didn’t agree under principle with where it was going under Meta, I’m willing to not use the app.
Because this website is an echo chamber that hates big corporations and think the holy grail is to avoid having an online footprint by not using big apps, thus achieving “privacy”.
That’s not the implication at all and the fact that you even think that just shows how fucking dumb you are. The weeb shit is just the cherry on top lmao
Why does a corporation’s opinion of you mean anything? Why do you care if they care? You choose to use their products. Nothing is free, and if you don’t like them earning money by showing you ads, don’t use their products.
Why does a corporation’s opinion of you mean anything?
Because they don’t need your simpering sycophantic posting here. They got legal teams and lots of political protections.
Why do you care if they care?
Because they’re making society and the world worse entirely for profit and they’re also conditioning ignorant people like you to stan for them.
You choose to use their products.
In general, not as much as you think and when I have no choice to do so, that isn’t a choice, is it?
Nothing is free, and if you don’t like them earning money by showing you ads, don’t use their products.
You are a laughably pathetic bootlicker if you’re sinking to those thoughtless platitudes.
Pollution happens whether or not an individual buys into the product. Erosions of personal legal protections happen when the lobbyists encroach a little more. “Vote with your wallet” does absolutely nothing at a societal level but I think you’re too willfully sycophantic to understand that.
Hurting people for profit? Who are they hurting? It’s a free market, and it’s your choice to use their products or not. Just stop fucking whining about it all the time.
You’re a corporate slave only if you choose to be. This isn’t some 1984 dystopia as you try to make it out to be.
Start worrying about real issues. You’re a free person and I believe in you :)
Sure, but most of the people on here have no clue what they’re talking about and think using a VPN gives you pRiVaCy, or that not using Facebook somehow is sticking it to the man
Huh, dude, I am forced to use WhatsApp because it is the number 1 app here where I live, nobody even used SMS, which I actually didn’t believe was a thing until another lemming pointed it out lol.
WhatsApp has always been behind other options such as Telegram, for example their WhatsApp web implementation is a huge joke compared to Telegram, or the way it stores the data too.
The way Whatsapp stores data is arguably more secure than Telegram, i.e. not in the cloud but only locally. It sucks if you lose access to your phone and you have not set up backups via iCloud/Google Drive, but it’s definitely better in terms of privacy and security.
I only have WhatsApp because I have so many non-American friends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dragged my mom and sister over to using it, and everyone has been warned that the second I see Meta trying to monetize it, I’m going to whine until they all move to Signal (which has pretty much identical functionality.)
I don’t know anyone who uses whatsapp in my friend group lol… Tbf noone uses anything privacy related either so
I know I’d never use whatsapp, looks like it’s straight from 2012
Instagram, FB Mesenger, SMS…? IDK why you guys don’t just use WhatsApp. It’s the standard messaging app everywhere in the world (except the US, of course)
EDIT: Wow, lots of people in denial ITT. Look, it’s simple: you can hate Meta/Facebook as much as you want (and I do), but you can’t deny that WhatsApp is a great product, feature-wise. People who compare it to SMS, Instagram chat, FB messenger or anything else are honestly laughable. The only service that can hold a candle against it is perhaps Telegram
Owned by meta but better than fb and insta messages because of e2ee.
Still wish i could delete it (have it inside a shelter work profile).
Matrix bridging is an option for whatsapp as well as sms, discord, and others, although it does make using these services more private (beyond not having the app installed).
It’s just another meta owned messenger. It’s no better than FB or instagram.
Definitely not as good as signal but at least Whatsapp is e2e encrypted unlike Instagram
And it’s the middle ground. Doesn’t make sense to die on the privacy hill in every group situation.
Not that I use it or am fond of it, but wouldn’t Telegram be more of a middle ground in this context?
It’s not big corporate (Meta), nor smaller nonprofit or decentralized/self-hosted (Signal/Matrix~Element), and is a business offering a messaging app with encryption options one may enable as desired.
Whatever works ;) problem with telegram is that group chats are not E2E encrypted
That doesn’t make it any better. Still owned and controlled by meta.
How is it not better? Are you actually arguing that plaintext and e2e encrypted messages are somewhat equivalent? It IS better, period. Not ideal because it’s still owned by Meta, but definitely better
Already answered, and no I did not say they are equivalent.
It’s not better, it’s a meta product.
That’s just plain false. WhatsApp is at least e2e encrypted and its UX is great, compared to the other apps
If the creator of WhatsApp was willing to walk away from billions of dollars because he didn’t agree under principle with where it was going under Meta, I’m willing to not use the app.
If everyone is already on platform X why would they install app W?
you can be on multiple platforms
Because this website is an echo chamber that hates big corporations and think the holy grail is to avoid having an online footprint by not using big apps, thus achieving “privacy”.
In reality they’re a minority of about 100:1.
Your own implication is that being an enlightened free thinker is to stan for big corporations, for free, that don’t care if you live or die.
You’re fucking pathetic and I feel sorry for you.
That’s not the implication at all and the fact that you even think that just shows how fucking dumb you are. The weeb shit is just the cherry on top lmao
It is, even if you say “nuh uh.”
You’ve come, voluntarily and unsolicited, to stan for corpos that don’t care if you live or die.
Using an emoji is weeb shit? Okay boomer.
Ending with that doesn’t hide your impotent rage.
Noted weeb UlyssesT who loves shonen manga and jpop, everybody knows him
Shhhhhh! Don’t give away the game.
The bootlicker’s ignorance is producing such amazing takes. I want to keep this bootlicker going as long as possible.
Why does a corporation’s opinion of you mean anything? Why do you care if they care? You choose to use their products. Nothing is free, and if you don’t like them earning money by showing you ads, don’t use their products.
Because they don’t need your simpering sycophantic posting here. They got legal teams and lots of political protections.
Because they’re making society and the world worse entirely for profit and they’re also conditioning ignorant people like you to stan for them.
In general, not as much as you think and when I have no choice to do so, that isn’t a choice, is it?
You are a laughably pathetic bootlicker if you’re sinking to those thoughtless platitudes.
Pollution happens whether or not an individual buys into the product. Erosions of personal legal protections happen when the lobbyists encroach a little more. “Vote with your wallet” does absolutely nothing at a societal level but I think you’re too willfully sycophantic to understand that.
Yes. But not via Whatsapp, that’s all. It’s probably the least bad app they own
Found the bootlicker. How does it taste?
Yeah disagreeing with a tiny army of lemmings is bootlicking, makes sense
You think you’re standing against a both-too-weak-and-too-strong army of conformists by… stanning for corpos that don’t care if you live or die.
That’s sad.
You care too much about their regard for your well-being. Of course they don’t give a shit. Why would they? It’s business.
You care a whole lot about performatively not caring. Contrarianism for its own sake is juvenile.
“Hurting people for profit is cool and the best system should reward more of that!”
You are incredibly fucking ignorant and pathetic.
LARPing as your corporate masters by admiring their ideology won’t elevate you.
Licking that boot won’t earn you the privilege of wearing it.
Hurting people for profit? Who are they hurting? It’s a free market, and it’s your choice to use their products or not. Just stop fucking whining about it all the time.
You’re a corporate slave only if you choose to be. This isn’t some 1984 dystopia as you try to make it out to be.
Start worrying about real issues. You’re a free person and I believe in you :)
that doesn’t justify them exploiting people
For me the main reason to avoid that stuff is Zuck’s a dick and I don’t appreciate how facebook lets people spread incitement to genocide.
It’s kind of like avoiding Nestle. Just more chill for your soul.
Fair enough. BTW that’s the first and only coherent response I’ve read yet
Sure, but most of the people on here have no clue what they’re talking about and think using a VPN gives you pRiVaCy, or that not using Facebook somehow is sticking it to the man
big corporations are hated for a reason
yes
you said it like it’s a bad thing
No, and I’m not siding with them, but selling ads and anonymous information you agreed to share doesn’t automatically make them evil
You might wanna scope the username. Lol
For the same reason that I don’t use Reddit as a link aggregator.
Except at least WhatsApp is a great product, feature-wise
That shitty app sucked even before Meta acquired it 🤡
🎶"He’s gonna take you back to the past. To use shitty apps that suck ass. He’d rather have-"🎶
You either don’t know what you’re talking about or you’re just commenting in bad faith
Huh, dude, I am forced to use WhatsApp because it is the number 1 app here where I live, nobody even used SMS, which I actually didn’t believe was a thing until another lemming pointed it out lol.
WhatsApp has always been behind other options such as Telegram, for example their WhatsApp web implementation is a huge joke compared to Telegram, or the way it stores the data too.
The way Whatsapp stores data is arguably more secure than Telegram, i.e. not in the cloud but only locally. It sucks if you lose access to your phone and you have not set up backups via iCloud/Google Drive, but it’s definitely better in terms of privacy and security.
I only have WhatsApp because I have so many non-American friends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dragged my mom and sister over to using it, and everyone has been warned that the second I see Meta trying to monetize it, I’m going to whine until they all move to Signal (which has pretty much identical functionality.)
I don’t know anyone who uses whatsapp in my friend group lol… Tbf noone uses anything privacy related either so I know I’d never use whatsapp, looks like it’s straight from 2012
I’ve never had a Facebook account, I’ve never had an insta account, but I do use WhatsApp.
Pretty much everyone I know whether old or young uses WhatsApp. When I was travelling, a lot of apartments, hotels and booking services used it too.
Seems to be the one messaging app that cuts across all generations, countries and also the Android/IOS divide.