• lugal@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I’m not surprised. If anything, I was surprised to be accepted into it at the first place. Sometimes I’m surprised by the low level of education some people have. You mentioned Catalonia. Some people don’t seem to know nor want to know anything about the Spanish civil war or the anything. I sometimes try to argue with people from different ideologies because I think it’s an opportunity for all to grow and sharpen their position but I’m not surprised to be downvoted. In no comment of this thread did I express surprise

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      7 months ago

      no, the Catalonians betrayed the revolution, so they were working together with the francoists, because we need a big daddy strongman in charge!

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        7 months ago

        Not sure if joking or stupid. I tend to the former but being on the internet long enough, I can’t rule out the latter

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          7 months ago

          i would hope the mockery of the needs for a strongman to lead the “revolution” would give it away

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            7 months ago

            Ok, that gave you away. I mean, the bolsheviks didn’t even want a revolution but allied with the republicans to build a liberal bourgeois democracy

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              7 months ago

              sure, meanwhile, if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you

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                7 months ago

                I don’t even understand what that means. And some educated tankies will explain away why Stalin was right and Spain wasn’t ready for a revolution. But some people don’t know stuff.

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                  7 months ago

                  it means that if you really believe that, you are gullible.

                  and I know “educated” tankies have put a lot of effort into some ham fisted explanations for why this and that bust have been the case, but, straight factually, with all the evidence we have, it shows that the USSR was a fascistic imperialist dictatorship using the aesthetic of communism, nowhere that the USSR intervened was spared from it trying to control the region.

                  infact that’s the entire reason we disparage them as tankies, because they support the use of tanks and military might to subjugate vassals and destroy any political group not preview to their control, political groups like workers not wanting to be controlled by some shareholder class (what, you think the Russian oligarchy came from nowhere over the last 30 years?) with little vested interest in the actual running of the workplace

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                    7 months ago

                    That sounds like a big misunderstanding. I said that the bolsheviks were against the revolution in Spain and I thought you were the tankie disagreeing with me. What is your standpoint and what do you think mine is?

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      7 months ago

      So then it seems like an accepting place for people to learn about Marxism-Leninism, but is primarily a space for Marxism-Leninism.