Interestingly enough, that doesn’t happen in some communities like !Technology@beehaw.org and I thought that wouldn’t happen in communities that are dedicated to AI. Well, maybe I’m wrong and lots of people don’t understand the concept of communities. Yeah, but I nowadays also see lots of AI stuff in the general communities like Ask Lemmy.
Probably because beehaw aggressively defederates from any annoying instances.
I would say Lemmy and the lemmy apps are currently set up to funnel as many users into any communities as possible, because there are so little people on here.
I usually browse rising (of all communties I haven’t blocked) so there is enough content. I imagine many people are doing the same.
The only fixes I see is when 1) Lemmy gets more users, 2) defederating aggressively or 3) heavy moderation or 4) having “high effort” barriers to posting in communities (for example: must have X much karma or write a message to the mods to post).
All my experiences on the privacy communties were that 10x more people from outside comment and are angry that I want more privacy. Which kind of defeats the point of communties. At the moment communities act more like topic tags that categorize posts, not as real communities.
Lemmy is pretty good for what it is, but it needs many changes to survive into the future, to operate more like how it was intended.
I don’t think growing Lemmy and funnelling in users works out. We don’t grow. We’re somewhere between 40k and 50k active users and there is no trend in either direction.
Last year, I despised beehaw for doing their own thing and not respecting how federation is supposed to work. That is connecting people and not being a patchwork of small spaces that don’t talk to each other because of small minds/perspectives… I think I changed my mind a bit. Their way of doing things turned out to foster better behaviour than on other instances. It’s still detrimental to the idea of a federated platform, but still… The effects aren’t just negative.
I think we have lots of issues here. The culture is a bit different from what I’d like it to be. It’s a tiny bit above Reddit in atmosphere, but on the downside it lacks the (niche) experts. It’s more average people here and just the most predominant opinions. Furthermore, it’s too much discussing the news and not much else that’d be meaningful for my life. It’s too small for lots of things that this place could excel in and that you won’t find anywhere else.
And the technology really isn’t that good. Progress is super slow, they don’t implement the things the users need and wish for. And it doesn’t foster growth or nice behaviour.
And I think that’s the main issue. We’d need a solid basis to build something upon. It needs to be shiny, have excellent moderation tools and user-facing features. All of this has been requested but except for things like instance blocking by the user, that doesn’t even block their users, we didn’t get much.
My personal wish is that new approaches like PieFed will go ahead and provide that to us. I think I’d like to host an instance with that and then invite some people. As of now I didn’t advertise for Lemmy because I think neither the software, nor the atmosphere/community, nor the content here is worth convincing anyone to join. At this point I’m just waiting for one of the three to get anywhere. But I think I’d also like to defederate from a few people. And force them to be nice, upvote replies, not just dump any random links but provide some text in a post, and have some niche interest communities, because just dumping links to news and posting memes isn’t cutting it. We already have X and Mastodon for that…
And a little disclaimer: I’m being negative in this comment. But that’s not all there is to it. There is a reason why I’m here. I regularly have nice interactions, learn new things and have good conversations. It’s just that it’s far between and I see lots of potential for more. And I’d really like that to become reality.
Interestingly enough, that doesn’t happen in some communities like !Technology@beehaw.org and I thought that wouldn’t happen in communities that are dedicated to AI. Well, maybe I’m wrong and lots of people don’t understand the concept of communities. Yeah, but I nowadays also see lots of AI stuff in the general communities like Ask Lemmy.
Probably because beehaw aggressively defederates from any annoying instances.
I would say Lemmy and the lemmy apps are currently set up to funnel as many users into any communities as possible, because there are so little people on here.
I usually browse rising (of all communties I haven’t blocked) so there is enough content. I imagine many people are doing the same.
The only fixes I see is when 1) Lemmy gets more users, 2) defederating aggressively or 3) heavy moderation or 4) having “high effort” barriers to posting in communities (for example: must have X much karma or write a message to the mods to post).
All my experiences on the privacy communties were that 10x more people from outside comment and are angry that I want more privacy. Which kind of defeats the point of communties. At the moment communities act more like topic tags that categorize posts, not as real communities.
Lemmy is pretty good for what it is, but it needs many changes to survive into the future, to operate more like how it was intended.
Yeah, I agree. And I appreciate your perspective.
I don’t think growing Lemmy and funnelling in users works out. We don’t grow. We’re somewhere between 40k and 50k active users and there is no trend in either direction.
Last year, I despised beehaw for doing their own thing and not respecting how federation is supposed to work. That is connecting people and not being a patchwork of small spaces that don’t talk to each other because of small minds/perspectives… I think I changed my mind a bit. Their way of doing things turned out to foster better behaviour than on other instances. It’s still detrimental to the idea of a federated platform, but still… The effects aren’t just negative.
I think we have lots of issues here. The culture is a bit different from what I’d like it to be. It’s a tiny bit above Reddit in atmosphere, but on the downside it lacks the (niche) experts. It’s more average people here and just the most predominant opinions. Furthermore, it’s too much discussing the news and not much else that’d be meaningful for my life. It’s too small for lots of things that this place could excel in and that you won’t find anywhere else.
And the technology really isn’t that good. Progress is super slow, they don’t implement the things the users need and wish for. And it doesn’t foster growth or nice behaviour.
And I think that’s the main issue. We’d need a solid basis to build something upon. It needs to be shiny, have excellent moderation tools and user-facing features. All of this has been requested but except for things like instance blocking by the user, that doesn’t even block their users, we didn’t get much.
My personal wish is that new approaches like PieFed will go ahead and provide that to us. I think I’d like to host an instance with that and then invite some people. As of now I didn’t advertise for Lemmy because I think neither the software, nor the atmosphere/community, nor the content here is worth convincing anyone to join. At this point I’m just waiting for one of the three to get anywhere. But I think I’d also like to defederate from a few people. And force them to be nice, upvote replies, not just dump any random links but provide some text in a post, and have some niche interest communities, because just dumping links to news and posting memes isn’t cutting it. We already have X and Mastodon for that…
And a little disclaimer: I’m being negative in this comment. But that’s not all there is to it. There is a reason why I’m here. I regularly have nice interactions, learn new things and have good conversations. It’s just that it’s far between and I see lots of potential for more. And I’d really like that to become reality.