• deaf_fish@lemm.ee
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      7 months ago

      These issues are systemic. I don’t like cops anymore than the next guy. But if the cop didn’t do his job, another cop would do it for him.

      Big corpos are not going to stop being shitty the moment they lose their law enforcement friends either.

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        7 months ago

        Exactly. They only rely on police because for the time being it’s cheaper and more cost effective to outsource their violence to the state. The minute they can cut out the middleman, they will.

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          6 months ago

          It’s not just about being cost effective - the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Private firms doing this without state backing would be immediately read by anyone watching as illegitimate and they would quickly face organised resistance to it.

          The unrestrained mass of people organising is a much more powerful force than any police a state could muster. That’s why the state has to find ways to legitimise itself so as to be allowed to stay in power.

          Corporations don’t have that level of cultural legitimacy yet, and we should hope they never get there.

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            6 months ago

            Thankfully, that monopoly on legitimate violence is one that the people can give and take. If the people decide that the state’s violence is illegitimate, then it is illegitimate.

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              6 months ago

              Yup, I was going to make the distinction between perceived legitimacy and actual legitimacy, but on reflection I think legitimacy is socially constructed, so perceived legitimacy is just legitimacy.

              That’s why things like the George Floyd uprising was so important. The legitimacy of the state’s violence has taken a huge hit in recent times, and I don’t see it getting better any time soon.