They shut down traffic to work a fatal accident, he ignored a detective who told him to stop, something happened that led to the guy getting dragged for 30 feet and sent to the hospital with minor injuries, so they arrested him
I have no idea who this guy is but for the couple of decades that cheap video cameras have existed we’ve seen dozens (hundreds?) of cases where the stated police narrative doesn’t even come close to the captured video. Usually the targets are minorities and they rarely see justice against the police that make up the false narrative.
I give ZERO credibility to the written police narratives. Show me the video that they should have captured from a dozen different car and body cams. Its entirely possible the police description is correct, but I won’t believe word of it without the video to back it up.
This guy has major emotional control issues. I’ve seen him yelling and destroying equipment on live tv on course. ACAB but sometimes so are citizens. Both can be true at the same time. This guy is a fuckin prick.
And yet he’s still getting the entirety of the benefit of the doubt in this situation because it’s still somehow more likely that the police did something wrong. My mind will be changed by video and nothing else.
IDK man. I’m having trouble coming up with a scenario where the police just decided out of nowhere “Fuck this PGA vehicle, I hate it now! And will arrest the driver for no reason” when the driver was just following all their instructions exactly and all of a sudden the cops all got angry and it was all very confusing (which was more or less Scheffler’s version.)
I also note that Scheffler and his attorney didn’t say anything that sounded like “nobody got dragged by his vehicle, that part didn’t happen” or anything that directly contradicted what the cops said. He just said that when it happened it was confusing and scary.
I’m happy to wait for the bodycam footage too, though. Presumably we’ll be able to see exactly what happened during the critical events.
it would take someone particularly stupid, even for a cop, to try to stop a moving car by grabbing the door handle and then maintaining grip on the handle while getting dragged by a moving car
i can’t even blame scheffler for being panicked and just hitting the gas reflexively there, i dunno what i would do if a guy with a gun was trying to break into my car despite me having an all access pass to the area
See this is why I don’t like ACAB. Once you start taking this cartoonish version of any given type of people, you start looking at things in this really skewed perspective. People could be good or bad or a mix of both or whatever, sure, but once they’re “the enemy” and everything they do is stupid and evil and wrong, the kinds of things you start thinking are plausible start to become off kilter.
I think there is about a 0% chance that the cop just didn’t say a word and ran up to the car with his gun out and started trying to break in like a crazy person, and that was the first thing that happened. Maybe it’s 100% true that the cops miscommunicated and one guy had told Scheffler to go, and another then told him to stop, or something like that, but I’m still real curious about this blank space between “He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer” and then there being a cop attached to the outside of the car and Scheffler still moving the car forward and it being a “chaotic scene.”
I mean, he stopped after 30 feet, instead of continuing on his merry way through their accident scene or whatever. Sounds like if what happened was the cop grabbing the car and not letting go, then his strategy worked. My bet would be that the bodycam video will show some other less chaotic things they tried to do to get him to stop, as a first step, and the majority of the chaos stemming directly from Scheffler’s actions. IDK, maybe not and maybe it’s silly to talk about what the video will show before seeing it, but that is my feeling.
but if a guy’s just driving on a road he isn’t supposed to be on, is trying to break into the car really part of the protocol on that? surely at least drive after him or just radio the plate or something, it’s just a event security for a golf tournament, it’s not the president speaking
Part of the point is that they were working a fatal accident. There could have been medical people walking around in unexpected places, or still a body in the road he could run over, or who knows what. If he was driving towards the road that was closed for that reason, then absolutely yes; physically stopping the car if the guy isn’t responding to verbally stopping the car is part of the cop’s job, not just letting him go and good luck to anyone walking around in the accident scene. (I don’t really know, so maybe it wasn’t that, but also as far as I know maybe it was.)
It’s actually really common that cops have trouble getting people to understand that there’s some urgent physical reality that overrides their “but my house is right there” or “but I have to get to work” or “I’m too important to have to stop” argument that in their mind is way more important, and so they need to be able to drive right through the place with the gun battle or the dead body or the downed electrical wires, or whatever.
I have no idea who this guy is but for the couple of decades that cheap video cameras have existed we’ve seen dozens (hundreds?) of cases where the stated police narrative doesn’t even come close to the captured video. Usually the targets are minorities and they rarely see justice against the police that make up the false narrative.
I give ZERO credibility to the written police narratives. Show me the video that they should have captured from a dozen different car and body cams. Its entirely possible the police description is correct, but I won’t believe word of it without the video to back it up.
This guy has major emotional control issues. I’ve seen him yelling and destroying equipment on live tv on course. ACAB but sometimes so are citizens. Both can be true at the same time. This guy is a fuckin prick.
And yet he’s still getting the entirety of the benefit of the doubt in this situation because it’s still somehow more likely that the police did something wrong. My mind will be changed by video and nothing else.
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IDK man. I’m having trouble coming up with a scenario where the police just decided out of nowhere “Fuck this PGA vehicle, I hate it now! And will arrest the driver for no reason” when the driver was just following all their instructions exactly and all of a sudden the cops all got angry and it was all very confusing (which was more or less Scheffler’s version.)
I also note that Scheffler and his attorney didn’t say anything that sounded like “nobody got dragged by his vehicle, that part didn’t happen” or anything that directly contradicted what the cops said. He just said that when it happened it was confusing and scary.
I’m happy to wait for the bodycam footage too, though. Presumably we’ll be able to see exactly what happened during the critical events.
I think you’ll find that there are a lot of crazy reasons for the police doing something,
it would take someone particularly stupid, even for a cop, to try to stop a moving car by grabbing the door handle and then maintaining grip on the handle while getting dragged by a moving car
i can’t even blame scheffler for being panicked and just hitting the gas reflexively there, i dunno what i would do if a guy with a gun was trying to break into my car despite me having an all access pass to the area
See this is why I don’t like ACAB. Once you start taking this cartoonish version of any given type of people, you start looking at things in this really skewed perspective. People could be good or bad or a mix of both or whatever, sure, but once they’re “the enemy” and everything they do is stupid and evil and wrong, the kinds of things you start thinking are plausible start to become off kilter.
I think there is about a 0% chance that the cop just didn’t say a word and ran up to the car with his gun out and started trying to break in like a crazy person, and that was the first thing that happened. Maybe it’s 100% true that the cops miscommunicated and one guy had told Scheffler to go, and another then told him to stop, or something like that, but I’m still real curious about this blank space between “He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer” and then there being a cop attached to the outside of the car and Scheffler still moving the car forward and it being a “chaotic scene.”
I mean, he stopped after 30 feet, instead of continuing on his merry way through their accident scene or whatever. Sounds like if what happened was the cop grabbing the car and not letting go, then his strategy worked. My bet would be that the bodycam video will show some other less chaotic things they tried to do to get him to stop, as a first step, and the majority of the chaos stemming directly from Scheffler’s actions. IDK, maybe not and maybe it’s silly to talk about what the video will show before seeing it, but that is my feeling.
but if a guy’s just driving on a road he isn’t supposed to be on, is trying to break into the car really part of the protocol on that? surely at least drive after him or just radio the plate or something, it’s just a event security for a golf tournament, it’s not the president speaking
Part of the point is that they were working a fatal accident. There could have been medical people walking around in unexpected places, or still a body in the road he could run over, or who knows what. If he was driving towards the road that was closed for that reason, then absolutely yes; physically stopping the car if the guy isn’t responding to verbally stopping the car is part of the cop’s job, not just letting him go and good luck to anyone walking around in the accident scene. (I don’t really know, so maybe it wasn’t that, but also as far as I know maybe it was.)
It’s actually really common that cops have trouble getting people to understand that there’s some urgent physical reality that overrides their “but my house is right there” or “but I have to get to work” or “I’m too important to have to stop” argument that in their mind is way more important, and so they need to be able to drive right through the place with the gun battle or the dead body or the downed electrical wires, or whatever.