Two different hosts— still Dax. Same 350+ years of memories and experiences… hardly a different person, just a new incarnation of that person in each host.
except not no, just yes. it is the same person; what you’re referring to is figurative speech like when people say “I’m not the same person anymore” or whatever.
here’s a conversation that wouldn’t happen:
“you’re still with Jen?”
“no”
“oh, when did you break up”
“we didn’t. but she’s older now”
Have you ever had the experience of meeting an old friend after not seeing them for many years? If yes, did they seem the same to you or different?
I have had this experience several times and several times they were a different person than I remembered. We got along easily when we were young but now we have almost nothing in common. I’m sure my own changes as a person had as much to do with it as theirs.
Married couples sometimes get divorced after many years for this reason. “I was so in love with him when we were young but now he’s changed.”
DAX was joined with the Jadzia for six years before she died. Surely a rich life, like that of Torias (1 1/2 years), but worthy and memorable nonetheless.
Ok, so, clearly you’ve never seen or heard of Star Trek before (if I’m wrong, I apologize), or you’d know and understand all of this, so I’ll explain:
Trill society has a subset who can be joined with Trill symbiots. These work/slug-like creatures can live for centuries, even longer. They “join” with the humanoid Trill and become a unified “person”, different and unique from either the host or symbiot which came before the Union.
So, once Dax (the symbiot) seperated from Curzon when he died and joined with Jadzia, was that a “new person”? Well… that’s debatable. Jadzia, the new host, was certainly changed, and Dax, the symbiot, certainly had some ”newness” to contend with. But… Jadzia was still Jadzia… plus Dax. It’s like having a new person, deeply nestled inside of your mind and soul. Does that, indeed, constitute a “new person”? Well… it would certainly demarcate many new and notable differences… but also much that remains the same.
It complicated. It’s not black-and-white, and it (probably) depends on individual experiences rather that a general rule.
On that last statement, in my experience a big chunk of the people that have some issue with lgbtq folks seem to have a lot of issues with the fact that a great many things in life are not a simple black/white binary thing.
As soon as an issue or idea is introduced that requires nuance and subtlety they get all “this is unacceptable and unnatural “. Their minds just seem to have a hard time with the answer to something not being simple and universal.
I ask because the show makes it extremely clear on multiple occasions that while Curzon and Jadzia Dax share memories and a lot of personality traits, they are ultimately distinct people. This distinction becomes even more clear when Ezri Dax is introduced.
This is explicitly mentioned in the episode you are referencing. Jadzia Dax is not bound by the Klingon blood oath Curzon took. While Kor sees her and Curzon as identical, the other two Klingons don’t and are reluctant to let her come. One also makes frequent comments that Jadzia is incapable on account of her being a woman.
As a sidenote, Klingon society is extremely regressive. Part of this is the presence of strong gender roles. I highly doubt they’d be accepting of trans individuals.
Discovery has a non-binary Trill/Symbiote pair. They are non binary because the host identifies as such. They also consider themselves a different person than previous pairs, some of whom are non binary and some of who are cisgendered.
They are two different people though.
Two different hosts— still Dax. Same 350+ years of memories and experiences… hardly a different person, just a new incarnation of that person in each host.
350 years + all the years of Jadzia’s life. It’s like asking if you’re the same person at age 20 vs age 50. Well yes, but also no.
except not no, just yes. it is the same person; what you’re referring to is figurative speech like when people say “I’m not the same person anymore” or whatever.
here’s a conversation that wouldn’t happen:
“you’re still with Jen?”
“no”
“oh, when did you break up”
“we didn’t. but she’s older now”
Have you ever had the experience of meeting an old friend after not seeing them for many years? If yes, did they seem the same to you or different?
I have had this experience several times and several times they were a different person than I remembered. We got along easily when we were young but now we have almost nothing in common. I’m sure my own changes as a person had as much to do with it as theirs.
Married couples sometimes get divorced after many years for this reason. “I was so in love with him when we were young but now he’s changed.”
DAX was joined with the Jadzia for six years before she died. Surely a rich life, like that of Torias (1 1/2 years), but worthy and memorable nonetheless.
Ok, so, clearly you’ve never seen or heard of Star Trek before (if I’m wrong, I apologize), or you’d know and understand all of this, so I’ll explain:
Trill society has a subset who can be joined with Trill symbiots. These work/slug-like creatures can live for centuries, even longer. They “join” with the humanoid Trill and become a unified “person”, different and unique from either the host or symbiot which came before the Union.
So, once Dax (the symbiot) seperated from Curzon when he died and joined with Jadzia, was that a “new person”? Well… that’s debatable. Jadzia, the new host, was certainly changed, and Dax, the symbiot, certainly had some ”newness” to contend with. But… Jadzia was still Jadzia… plus Dax. It’s like having a new person, deeply nestled inside of your mind and soul. Does that, indeed, constitute a “new person”? Well… it would certainly demarcate many new and notable differences… but also much that remains the same.
It complicated. It’s not black-and-white, and it (probably) depends on individual experiences rather that a general rule.
On that last statement, in my experience a big chunk of the people that have some issue with lgbtq folks seem to have a lot of issues with the fact that a great many things in life are not a simple black/white binary thing.
As soon as an issue or idea is introduced that requires nuance and subtlety they get all “this is unacceptable and unnatural “. Their minds just seem to have a hard time with the answer to something not being simple and universal.
Didn’t they make a point of her being a new person when she was on trial for crimes the previous host had allegedly committed?
Did you watch DS9?
I ask because the show makes it extremely clear on multiple occasions that while Curzon and Jadzia Dax share memories and a lot of personality traits, they are ultimately distinct people. This distinction becomes even more clear when Ezri Dax is introduced.
This is explicitly mentioned in the episode you are referencing. Jadzia Dax is not bound by the Klingon blood oath Curzon took. While Kor sees her and Curzon as identical, the other two Klingons don’t and are reluctant to let her come. One also makes frequent comments that Jadzia is incapable on account of her being a woman.
As a sidenote, Klingon society is extremely regressive. Part of this is the presence of strong gender roles. I highly doubt they’d be accepting of trans individuals.
Discovery has a non-binary Trill/Symbiote pair. They are non binary because the host identifies as such. They also consider themselves a different person than previous pairs, some of whom are non binary and some of who are cisgendered.