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You’ll hear Hanneke talk about a concept called the “forever mouse,” or a mouse you buy once and upgrade over time with new software features — features that, of course, might carry a subscription fee. Subscription mice! It’s a lot.
Subscription, of course that’s what they’d go for. What a bold new vision they bring.
Oh, I thought this was good news, shit.
Lame New World
Where’s my frickin soma? Damn it!
Here’s your prescription for high-dose ibuprofen.
*destroys doctor’s office in a fit of rage
on the flip side, if this means the hardware will be built to last forever, with some reverse engineering by some open source warrior, this could still be gold.
“You have run out of monthly scroll-wheel credits.”
Monthly Clicks reached. Buy more clicks:
10.000 clicks for $4.99
100.000 clicks for $14.99
Unlimited clicks via subscription for $ 89.99/year**
**300 miles of scrolling included, after that only $0.39 per mile or order a yearly scroll subscription for $39.99
clicks buy
click doesn’t work
Ah, you need to install rootkit.msi first. That will monitor your activity and enable clicking on Logitech’s buy buttons for free (terms and conditions may apply).
Infinite growth, the cancer that eats the goodness out of companies. I’ve preferred Logitech mice since the MX518. Mine have usually lasted 3-4 years before I start having issues with either the scroll wheel or more frequently the left/right click sometimes double clicking. It strikes me as silly to paint a future where the innovation of a piece of hardware isn’t improvements in the form of hardware advances, but rather, software upgrades.
Get the fuck out of here! Just another company hoping to get some of that sweet subscription money. How do companies not realize that the average person doesn’t have an infinite budget with the ability to actively have 23 streaming services with subs, productivity software with subs, data subs for their car, subs for gaming, subs for news. God damn it.
These “hardware as a service” morons need to go away already. The concept has failed in every single attempt.
Not to mention, every Logitech mouse I’ve owned has had a hardware failure between 0-3 years.
My MX518 never stopped working, not even after 15 years of heavy use.
Just allow us to repair it and sell spare parts for fucks sake you evil parasites. Take your AI bullshit and fuuuuucck ooooffff oh my GOD
One of these days, I’d like a company to view its product as its advertising strategy.
You want to get ongoing value out of a one-time sale?
One option is subscriptions to operate the thing.
The other option is the thing produces value to your company by producing value to the consumer continually. Make it stand out, so that everyone who sees and tries the product wants one. Boom, there’s your monthly recurring revenue.
Not enough, you need to sell the hardware + subscription, otherwise, MBAs all around the world are sad.
You don’t want that do you?
I honestly think that all the marxist propaganda — which tells people that the most successful only get there by treating people poorly — creates an unconscious assumption that the only way to get profit is by mistreating people.
I think it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy when we convince people that capitalism is evil.
I assume you are arguing dishonestly, or are somehow insulated from the world.
No billionaire got where they were without exploiting the lives of others, and crony capitalism rewards the cheaters.
This isn’t a unconscious assumption, it is a clear and aware view of how our economy works.
Any company that makes money can make slightly more by abusing and taking advantage of their customers, so most do.
This is why it is rare and social-media worthy when a company actually treats their customers with respect.
Decades ago the behaviors of modern corporations would look psychopathic.
This is what happens when SCOTUS rules in favor of corporations over citizens for 40 years.
I assume you are arguing in good faith.
Not sure what you are trying to convey here, but capitalism as it is now is an extreme, and communism the other.
There is a whole spectrum inbetween. But what we know for sure is that the “elite” treat the people poorly. And the worker, producer of value, get shafted all around.
There is a reason that multi billionaires are buying media outlets, and it’s not for the good of the society.
Just look at all the mega corps when there is a sniff of unionization, they hire union-breaker firms and start their PR how unions are evil.
And its not marxist propaganda as you call it since we have numerous example of how evil C-suites are and don’t give a fuck.
They are not arguing in good faith.
Never buying a Logitech device again. I shouldn’t have to create an account to use a mouse that I paid for.
Exactly why I swore off Razer years ago (besides their shit constantly breaking)
Um, I don’t want my mouse to have software features, I just want my mouse to last a long time. My Intellimouse Pro accomplishes that, and in that time my wife has gone through 2 off-brand mice, 2 Logitech mice, and is now on a Razor. If Logitech makes something competitive with my Intellimouse Pro, I’ll probably get it. All I need is:
- left and right click
- scroll wheel and middle mouse click
- back and forward buttons
- bonus points for some kind of side scroll
- sensor on the bottom to track movement
- reasonably comfortable
I don’t need macros, adjustable weights, LEDs, etc. I don’t want fancy software or any of that jazz. I need a reliable mouse that’s reasonably comfortable. If you add a thumb button and add macOS support, I’ll pay a small premium. If I really like it, I’ll probably buy 5 (work, desktop, laptop, wife desktop, kids computer).
you can have side scrolling with any mouse that has a wheel by holding shift
I thought their mice are fairly good quality.
The discontinued my favorite mouse though.
I also fucking hate their new software. Why the fuck did they change it again?
Agreed, their software is utter garbage.
There’s the Onboard Memory Manager though, which does everything you would ever want without the gloss, bullshit and bugs:
https://support.logi.com/hc/en-au/articles/6449584392215-Onboard-Memory-Manager I like their hardware but if they ever make it incompatible to this software, I will stop buying it.MX518??
I actually really liked the G602. I know I am in the minority though.
If they remade the MXmaster 3 with the same number of buttons as the G602, I would be pretty stoked. Love the scroll wheel and button feel of the MXM3. Its cursor movement feels buttery smooth, and it’s shape still feels good after 8 hours of REVU markups.
G602/4 gang! I picked up a Razer Naga Pro to play around with since it also has a 6 button side panel that is hot-swappable for a 2 or 12 button configuration too. I think the Logitech mice are more ergonomic (but I’ve also been using the G602/4 for years), and I hate the Razer Synapse software. Being able to switch to a 12 button panel for some games is useful, but I find 6 buttons to be the sweet spot for general computing. I think the Naga Pro is the closest option for the time being unless Logitech decides to introduce a new model.
Perhaps.
lol you’re the fucking CEO, don’t play coy
I really, really wanted this headline to mean they were going to make extremely high quality mice
I was hoping it would be a right to repair thing when I first saw the headline
Just make an MX518 or equivalent mouse forever and I’ll keep buying them forever. This isn’t rocket science Logitech.
Mine lasted 15 years. They created a remake of it around 7 years ago, but I didn’t buy one because my original was still working. The original never actually stopped working, it just started looking and feeling very worn and dingy. I’d buy another if they released another remake.
I lucked out and bought three (original) MX518 on clearance at a Target after they were being phased out in favor of the (inferior) original G5 laser mouse. I gave two away as gifts, but the spare lasted me many years. Technically it never stopped working, but I wanted to try out the newer models and their nicer cables and teflon sliders. When the remade version came out, I bought one and when I realized how much better it was than my Tron-like Logitech mouse they has been pushing, I bought a second one so that I could hopefully go decades until I needed to worry about this. That backup new MX518 is still in the box, so my plan has been a complete success.
I envy your foresight. I didn’t know back then that every product on the market was going to continually get worse for the rest of our lives.
Edit: I replaced the MX518 with the Logitech G700S (I think that’s what it is anyways) and that one is still working great too. So I guess any of the slightly older Logitech mice are still very good.
The original purchase was just luck as they were 90% off. I would have bought 10 if I could at that price. I’m a bit of a peripheral snob, so when I find something I like, I lean into it probably too much.
Instantly fired. Can’t sell mice if your mouse is still fine.
Unless they’re selling mouse licenses that need a subscription…
Edit: GODDAMNIT IT REALLY IS A SUBSCRIPTION MOUSE.
My Razer naga gaming mouse is already feature complete. There’s not a single thing missing and no more improvements to be made. I didn’t change a single setting in 15 years. It has 12 numbers on the side and a 4 way tilt mouse wheel. I only had to replace it 2 times because at some point the clicking just stops working, after ten thousands of hours clicking. The only thing Logitech could improve, is providing easy replacement parts. Let me slide off the top, unplug the click mechanism or the scroll wheel and pop in a new one for a few bucks. But that would lower their revenue, so they won’t do it.
Endgame gear offer this.
They sell replacement click switches, and even offer them in different “feel” like a mechanical keyboard. They sell other parts too.
I bought one after my Corsair mouse died 7 years old (the cable, again). It’s miles better than what I had, at less cost.
I’ve had a LOT of Logitech stuff in the past. Hell, all the peripherals on my gaming rig are from them.
The fucking SECOND that they start pulling this Instant Ink subscription bullshit, I’m fucking done. And why the tapdancing christ does a mouse need AI integration? It’s done fine for the past 40 fucking years.
Fuckin enshittification man. I’m so disappointed in Logitech.
