I agree with the creepy parts, I felt that way too when I ate animals although I didnt know all the icky stuff you posted like with shrimp!
Its interesting you mention having fleeting negative feelings from a cut of beef but crabs are not given any consideration when boiled alive or stabbed through the skull and then boiled.
I’m not trying to pin you down to a contradiction either, Im aware its common to sort of treat different groups if animals differently but it always is interesting to me the justification.
So why no moral consideration for crabs compared to cows, even if its only a little bit?
Edit: the video you posted reminds me of a story of a Chinese place that would allow you to bring a cat or dog and they would cook it for you. Yikes!
In my previous post, I said I was allergic to crabs. I don’t actually know if that’s true, because I’ve never eaten one; the claim is based on the fact that all three of my siblings are - violently so - so I never felt the need to test it. Perhaps that’s why I’ve never explored the moral implications.
That said, many times I’ve seen the claim that most animals that become seafood don’t have nervous systems supporting feeling pain the way that we do. If my food didn’t suffer, that would be a comfort to me; however, I’m not sure I believe that claim (and especially not the moral excuse it tries to provide).
I have been with friends who fish in catch-and-release environments. The only time I participated in one, I was a child and didn’t really know what it entailed beforehand (and, to my relief, didn’t catch anything). If fish truly aren’t sentient and can’t feel pain, then there’s no reason to object; but the idea of being spiked through the cheek, pulled from my atmosphere, suffocating for a while and then being returned - with no comprehension of what happened - is pretty horrifying.
I know it was a long post, but I was just pontificating because I don’t have an objectively defensible answer to your question, other than perhaps if I ate crabs ever I’d feel more qualms. Truth be told, I don’t often feel those qualms about beef or chicken or other land bound meat, I just have more opportunity to.
That Chinese place sounds very upsetting, if real. Hopefully you still enjoyed the linked video.
Also, I see your instance is separate from mine, but given the recent drama over veganism on my instance perhaps we should exercise caution in our conversation!
I think its fair that if you know you can’t ever do something, why consider the moral implications of it? Something else would have to happen to trigger the thoughts about it.
I think the science on the fish thing is catching up. I believe its argued now that they do feel pain, although I usually just go by whether it wants to be alive or not. If I could kill you painlessly in your sleep, is that moral?
I actually left your instance because of that. Theres a handful of instances that pretty much all show the same content anyways, and I figured I’d better get off of there before I get banned.
So far though the discussion seems to be allowed to stand, go look at the comment chains in their two announcements, and it was full of rehashing the argument that caused all the trouble. There was some really funny memes too.
I still don’t understand how vegan cat food is more taboo than, well literally everything it seems, based on other discussions ive seen on world.
I agree with the creepy parts, I felt that way too when I ate animals although I didnt know all the icky stuff you posted like with shrimp!
Its interesting you mention having fleeting negative feelings from a cut of beef but crabs are not given any consideration when boiled alive or stabbed through the skull and then boiled.
I’m not trying to pin you down to a contradiction either, Im aware its common to sort of treat different groups if animals differently but it always is interesting to me the justification.
So why no moral consideration for crabs compared to cows, even if its only a little bit?
Edit: the video you posted reminds me of a story of a Chinese place that would allow you to bring a cat or dog and they would cook it for you. Yikes!
In my previous post, I said I was allergic to crabs. I don’t actually know if that’s true, because I’ve never eaten one; the claim is based on the fact that all three of my siblings are - violently so - so I never felt the need to test it. Perhaps that’s why I’ve never explored the moral implications.
That said, many times I’ve seen the claim that most animals that become seafood don’t have nervous systems supporting feeling pain the way that we do. If my food didn’t suffer, that would be a comfort to me; however, I’m not sure I believe that claim (and especially not the moral excuse it tries to provide).
I have been with friends who fish in catch-and-release environments. The only time I participated in one, I was a child and didn’t really know what it entailed beforehand (and, to my relief, didn’t catch anything). If fish truly aren’t sentient and can’t feel pain, then there’s no reason to object; but the idea of being spiked through the cheek, pulled from my atmosphere, suffocating for a while and then being returned - with no comprehension of what happened - is pretty horrifying.
I know it was a long post, but I was just pontificating because I don’t have an objectively defensible answer to your question, other than perhaps if I ate crabs ever I’d feel more qualms. Truth be told, I don’t often feel those qualms about beef or chicken or other land bound meat, I just have more opportunity to.
That Chinese place sounds very upsetting, if real. Hopefully you still enjoyed the linked video.
Also, I see your instance is separate from mine, but given the recent drama over veganism on my instance perhaps we should exercise caution in our conversation!
I think its fair that if you know you can’t ever do something, why consider the moral implications of it? Something else would have to happen to trigger the thoughts about it.
I think the science on the fish thing is catching up. I believe its argued now that they do feel pain, although I usually just go by whether it wants to be alive or not. If I could kill you painlessly in your sleep, is that moral?
I actually left your instance because of that. Theres a handful of instances that pretty much all show the same content anyways, and I figured I’d better get off of there before I get banned.
So far though the discussion seems to be allowed to stand, go look at the comment chains in their two announcements, and it was full of rehashing the argument that caused all the trouble. There was some really funny memes too.
I still don’t understand how vegan cat food is more taboo than, well literally everything it seems, based on other discussions ive seen on world.