cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1934052
We are moving this community to https://lemmy.world/c/ps5
Subscribe here: !ps5@lemmy.world
Why?
Reason #1: Inciting Incident
- As some of you may be aware, the country of Mali is apparently beginning to talk back .ml top level domains. This has already affected other communities and has the potential to affect lemmy.ml (See here for context). This is preemptive act to ensure that what we have build so far is not destroyed.
Reason #2: This community does not align well with lemmy.ml
- Lemmy.ml is a FOSS focused instance. At the time of the creation of lemmy.ml/c/ps5, lemmy.world was not even on the map. I established this community very early before the reddit migration and wanted to establish it on what I believed at the time was the “flagship” instance for better discoverability. A lot has changed since then, and I believe this change will be in the best interest of this community moving forward. The Admins on lemmy.world have been wonderful and responsive, and I trust lemmy.world will be a great home for us.
- Other people have personal issues with the lemmy.ml instance and its admins, so while this move will help others who dislike lemmy.ml confidently join our community, it is not the primary reason for migrating.
What will happen to lemmy.ml/c/ps5?
- Great question. I would love to hear back from other community members on this subject. My initial plans are to pin this thread indefinitely at the top and cease posting news to this community. I will post weekly cross-posts in this community to the discussion threads on lemmy.world/c/ps5, which will have the comments locked, and a comment recommending others subscribe to the new community.
- For other users posting here, I will still allow posts, but I will comment in each thread with a reminder to post to the new community. I do not intend to lock these posts at this point in time, however if substantial discussion is happening in these threads I may lock them down.
Please let me know your thoughts below!
-Cosmic
P.S. Special thanks to @Hurts@lemmy.world for transfering me the new community!
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Leaving an instance curated by and for tankies is a good call.
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Does the end always justifies the means?
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From a man that married his first cousin lmao that tracks.
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Okay Einstein…
Hmm…
IDK, I think a big thing with federation should be communities being spread out, instead of centralized in one instance. I totally get why you would want to move away from
lemmy.ml, both on account of the Mali government and feeling like it doesn’t fit, but why not move to, say, Lemmy.zip or Derpzilla.net, since they’re tech and gaming focused instances? I get discoverability, but on the other hand, wouldn’t being on an instance of people that are more likely to care about a certain topic be better for discoverability too?IDK, just saying. Hope all goes well with your community!
This is a very good and fair point. I did consider this and was beginning to actively investigate something like this already, specifically lemmy.zip. I have been pondering a move to something more appropriate for awhile now. Unfortunately the Mali situation is forcing my hand to act more quickly, and I wanted to pick an instance that has a known track record. The World admins have successfully run both lemmy.world as well as their mastodon instances. I do not know much about the gaming-centric instances and their admins enough to jump in blindly at this time. If I had more time to develop those connections with them, I would have done so (and was planning to do so).
I do think that something like a gaming-centric instance is the way forward long-term and supports the Fediverse’s values and it will be something I deeply consider when evaluating a potential future migration due to future circumstances or for something like a PS6 community establishment. If there were ever a way to more easily migrate communities, I will also consider this down the line.
It will take a while to get away from the centralized world view of Reddit. To me, instances are like countries with their own constitution (rules) and police (mods). This means that two communities in different instances may seem the same, but they are not, because they have to follow the rules and culture of their instance.
Just like a PS5 club in Germany will not be the same as the PS5 club in the US because they will be culturally different. I think it will take some time for the Fediverse to think this way.
I think that pragmatically splitting up the active users like this “isn’t worth it” yet, the entire network is still fairly small all things considered. For the largest general topics like general gaming, posting pictures, politics, etc. it may be fine, but anything even slightly more niche than that will have trouble keeping an active userbase if there’s multiple communities across multiple instances.
I second this. Lemmy.zip seems like the logical choice here.
i personally would be reticent to move anything to lemmy.zip, given the issues with .zip domains. especially on lemmy, with the @'s in the urls
but i don’t have a ps5, so i don’t have a horse in this race
Yeah I agree. I’m really shocked zip even became a TLD. It’s a phishers dream come true pretty much.
Hello Zeus, I’ve attached the invoice here, please click to open it. invoice.zip
And for the click conscious,
Recently .zip became a publicly available top-level domain. Please consider contacting ICANN who coordinates all domains on the Internet, or Google which is the sponsor and registry for .zip and voice your opinion on the gTLD. Hopefully with enough pushback they will prioritize our collective good above other factors and shut down the gTLD
that’s a good point, i hasn’t considered writing to icann (not that i have a very high opinion of them these days). i don’t suppose there’s a template letter anywhere to save me writing one?
also by the way, i love your netscape avatar
I tried following the link but the process was confusing enough that I gave up lol.
what link? am i going mad?
Yeah at invoice.zip
I got very annoyed when we got TLDs like “IO” for Indian Ocean, and then the tech community adopted it for the generic reference of “input output” sounding very techie. Granted, I grumble about everything that goes into site naming for modern tech sites.
There’s some good TLDs, and there was never anything wrong with “.net”, “.biz”, or even “.game”. People should stop using the ones designed for particular countries for being convenient abbreviations, and go to intent focus.
It’s not just a matter of convenience, with new TLDs, people have less of an innate bias towards them and it makes it easier to establish a certain identity.
I’ll be honest, I would never buy something from a .biz TLD. I don’t know why, it just feels sketchy and out of date to me.
just want to point out that a majority of they regular names are already taken, that’s one of the primary reasons why new TLDs are such a blessing
They just unveiled: https://old.lemmy.world
You can also go to: https://mlmym.org/ to get the same old-reddit-style UI (using any lemmy or kbin host). I have no idea which one is preferable at this point, or if they even both point to the same thing anyway.
WOOO! Good to know that as well. Thank you!
Maybe look into creating your own instance (or even a gaming focused instance), like !android@lemdro.id
I considered this, but I do not have the resources to run my own instance. There are some gaming focused instances that are popping up, but for now the most established gaming communities are on lemmy.world. Plus, I dont know much about those instance admins to trust blindly diving in with them. I am very happy with the lemmy.world admins and think they are doing a great job. They also have a successful track record with their mastodon instance, sot I have confidence in them longer term.
I will keep this in mind for a future migration to something like PS6 (or if some other catastrophe comes along lol).
As opposed to moving to a decentralized instance?
Every lemmy instance is centralized, it’s not a bloody blockchain.
No, as opposed to moving a specialised instance, like how Android moves to lemdro.id. All of the centralisation lemmy.world and lemmy.ml is beginning to have an effect, and you guys are just at the starting line of finding out.
Decentralisation has nothing to do with blockchains. Hell, even BitTorrent was decentralised before the term blockchain even came to be.
So your suggestion is to centralize all gaming communities onto a single lemmy instance? That sounds like a great alternative. Besides, the real decentralization would be having a ps5 community on lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, and lemdro.id. That way if any one instance is shut down there are still two more that users can migrate to.
No, again, my suggestion is not to centralise anything.
If anything, I would have preferred if ps5!ps5@lemmy.world had moved to lemm.ee instead of lemmy.world. As it stands, lemmy.world is getting too big for a “federated” Lemmyverse, why should we continue to support federation on Lemmy, if lemmy.world becomes the new Reddit?
It’s good to have options. You can’t make people do what you want them to do. Having options means being able to choose one central instance. People are going to be people collectively and sometimes you gotta follow the desire path.
