Yeah, I’m giving up after this.
The Democratic party just can’t deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.
I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.
Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.
Also:
Biden got 81,282,916 votes
Harris got 66,153,556 votes
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there’s no saving this democracy.
Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again.>
Absolutely. Trump did not have a significant bump in votes, 10 million voters did not turn out, or so early figures show. Of them, it’s largely white suburban males. Apathy leads to populism. Dr. King had something to say about white liberals…
When the plague of face-eating leopards arrives, I will be interested in the responses of the people who never thought their faces would get eaten
Sure but at the same time Blacks and Latinos made significant bumps to the Trump vote here too. I would have to imagine that Dr. Kind would have some choice words for them too.
I volunteered at county Dem HQ and was tasked with texting Dem voters who hadn’t shown up at the polls by noon. Each page had maybe 50 names on it. And only 3 or 4 voters typically voted. It was a disaster.
Maybe now the party will learn that guilting and harassing people doesn’t work. If I get an unsolicited text from a campaign, it makes me significantly less likely to vote for that candidate. I’m not going to reward that sort of tactic.
So… what do you propose to do instead with respect to organizing?
Encouraging the DNC to hold primaries and take their thumb off the scale would be a good start. Don’t call me. Call them.
Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.
Nah. Trump got fewer votes (when you account for the ~4% population growth since the 2020 election) than last time, while Dems lost a fuckton of votes, compared to 2020.
Trump won, both the election, and the popular vote, not because he got Dems to vote for him, but because a dozen million Dems decided not to vote at all.
You are saying, in other words, that a black woman with indian ancestry and an exemplary career in the government was not enough incentive to go vote for self-perceived progressive people? That was actually my point.
Exemplary? Lol
Exemplary. Not saying she excelled at everything, but she had several responsibilities in different levels of government and never was impeached or tried for anything related to her work. Lol.
Honestly, yeah. She’s been in government positions for decades and hasn’t had any real scandals. The worst thing I heard was that when she was a DA, her department worked with the local police, and the police department had a lab tech that was stealing cocaine and was testing the product at work several times. And a judge scolded the police department and DA office for not doing a better job handling that issue.
She had a pretty decent record of good morals and making effective, positive changes. Unless there’s someone I haven’t heard
Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.
This is the best we have
The best America can do is fucking awful. It’s been this way for years. We elected Bush II twice. We elected Reagan twice. We elected Nixon twice. It’s always been a shitty country filled with terrible people.
I’d like to say I’m glad other people are starting to realize something I’ve known for years, but people are going to get hurt because “patriotic liberals” didn’t have the courage to admit we’re the shithole country.
This is insane. This was a failure of the Democratic party.
It was a failure of the voter. No campaign Harris could’ve ran would’ve won. Biden needed to pick a different veep, that’s why this is happening. Had it been a white guy, we’d be fine. Race and sex do matter
Democrats had a mulligan. Instead of finding a candidate that gave them the best chance, they pick the person next in line. Would have been difficult to pick someone else? Yes. Would it have been worth it? I think so.
We cant really test that theory now
But we can hold the decision makers accountable.
Don’t forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be
Oh yeah, the world is pretty fucked here. We’re at a tipping point for climate disaster.
It’s going to be interesting when climate refugees start overwhelming the habitable regions (like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin), driving housing costs even higher. People who think housing prices are high now will rudely awaken when the influx of people from the coastal regions – who have not only been displaced by climate disasters but have also lost their savings, and insurance will not bail them out – are competing for already limited affordable housing and local jobs.
But of course more drilling will totally fix that, right?
Easter Islanders cut down all the their trees, so they couldn’t even escape the collapse their behavior brought on. We’re going to see that world wide now.
Today is a dark day. But, I will say this…
When the world gets dark, new lights often appear. It’s a funny thing, but good people tend to be quiet and reserved. It’s the anger of the patient person, and the good people pushed too far, that often can incite the most change. As Mr. Rogers’ mother famously told him - look for the helpers when you see scary things unfold.
It’s time for the helpers.
I hope everyone reading this understands what this means. We must help now. Don’t look for the helpers, because we aren’t children, as Fred Roger’s once was…
Protect the people around you, especially the vulnerable and those at the most risk. Do it at the cost of your safety and well-being.
Cruelty has won a great battle today, but it can’t win the war without a fight.
Alright, give me some hope we can still prevent like >3°C global warming, cause I ain’t having any hope left.
We can’t prevent that.
Tough times make tough people
Tough people make easy times.
Easy times make weak people.
Weak people make tough times. <--------We are here.
Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.
Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.
No, the tough times were 2020-2024 when the fallout of Trump policies raised the cost of living, helped erode women’s rights to their own bodies, and encouraged corporate enshittification to go even more out of control.
It’s now “tough times make bigoted people who scapegoat minorities,” apparently.
Nobody said the tough times would end after just four years. I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better. The night has just begun, and it’s time for the lantern bearers to find their lights.
I’m American. They can’t have my country without a fight. I’ll fight every ounce of their cruelty with kindness, and displace their xenophobia and racism with acceptance and support.
There are millions of us.
Damn straight. That’s the same thing I tell people when I was asked if I was going to try to leave the US.
I may be disabled, but I swore to defend the Constitution from foreign and domestic threats. It’s not just the racist and homophobic people who have firearms. When the time comes, the quiet people will show up to help.
The quiet people peck, scratch, and bite when they need to protect the people they care about. And Mr. Roger’s taught my generation to care about everyone.
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In addition to what you said, I wonder how Biden and then Harris deciddd to become the nominee. What the methodology was. The dems could have hired a psychologist who could have guided them on the kind of candidate that would have won the American people over. They could have hired a pr team to help manage their campaign. The dems essentially took a bigger risk than it did in 2016 and it backfired on them again… except this time less people voted.
I’m sorry that part of my immigrant family is this stupid. Thankfully, they can’t vote fwiw. 🤷♂️
Don’t feel bad man, your family isn’t you and you can’t control when your family does something stupid. Heck my immigrant family that can vote was going on about not voting this year because of both sides bullshit and I had to talk them that yeah, you need to vote regardless. Not that it mattered because native born Americans are such a lost cause at this point.
My parents didn’t vote either. They’re also upset that they don’t have many choices because they’re independents. To them it doesn’t matter who the president is, to them it is inconsequential.
They (and the rest of us) are going to find out it is consequential
They think.
…it could be that America isn’t racist and you’ve been fed a big lie.
I know enough history to know you’re full of shit
You’re imagining a future that had a far better chance of happening under the dem ticket. We escaped pure tyranny last night. I couldn’t be more relieved
So you’re not just full of shit you’re also spreading it around.
Big claims with nothing to back it up.
Yeah it’s never the fault of the party, it’s all those stupid people exercizing their right to choose. Maybe if dems didn’t put all their worth in being “the least worst option” and actually tried to be a good party this wouldn’t have happened.
End of the day, Americans voted for a proven rapist, a convicted felon, and a white supremacist to the oval office over someone who isn’t so yeah, stupid people exercising their right to vote are to blame. Enjoy your tariffs.
“My” tariffs? You think i am happy for this? You are part of those stupid americans maybe, incapable of understanding that not everyone that does not think like you is your enemy
I don’t think you’re the enemy, I simply think you’re not very bright.
I don’t know why you are considering them not bright here. Empirically, being the least worst option has barely worked with record turn out during an active pandemic. Aside from that, not being a convicted rapist is simple not enough to motivate people to the voting booths, so maybe the tactics need to change? I can argue what ought to be, but the simple reality is very clear, “Not Trump” isn’t a winning strategy and we should try something else.
I don’t know why your getting downvoted, evidence shows your right
My guess is that it’s a bit reality shattering to contend with the fact that lying and cheating is plenty good enough to not only win, but win in a landslide. Harsh truths and all.
I’ll continue to deny claims that Kamala was “least worst”. She seemed like a pretty good option to me, and the only criticisms I’ve heard of her were that she was not quite perfect on every issue they cared about.
The highest she ever polled in the 2020 primaries was 15%, very briefly, reaching a low of 3% before she dropped out of that race.
She was always a bizarre choice to thrust into that position all of a sudden. Biden should have bowed out much earlier, and Dems should have selected the replacement with a primary.
They set themselves up to fail, to the tune of millions of blue voters who didn’t vote red, they just weren’t motivated enough to vote at all.
IMO, she was a bad choice of VP in 2020 during the Black Lives Matter protests over George Floyd’s murder. The optics of picking someone who was dubbed “California’s top cop” felt like a slap in the face. Whether that moniker was deserved or not, perception often matters more than facts when dealing with what is effectively a popularity contest.
Considering voter turnout for the Democrats was abysmal compared to 2020, yes: it is the fault of those stupid people choosing to abstain from voting because good enough wasn’t good enough.
If a campaign’s job is to get people to turn out then the campaign failed.
the voters must do everything they can to prevent democrats from shooting themselves in the foot.
Many terrible things are coming, but my heart is aching for Ukraine this morning…
This is my biggest fear as well.
We in Europe need to focus on our own security and military future without being to dependant on our unstable partner overseas.
He won fair and square, which means that this was not just some fluke. It can and probably will happen again in the future.If the GOP asks Ukraine to surrender what they have lost, I hope both Zelensky and we as Europe collectively give him a fat middle finger in return.
Russia must lose!The list of people fucked by this is pretty long.
My first thought was for Ukraine. I don’t want to live in this timeline any more.
And Palestine. Shit is going to get uglier than it was already.
Palestine will just be more Israel in a couple years. And the Palestinians that couldn’t get out to somewhere else will be dead.
I was thinkin, the funds an such were sending to Ukraine is gonna jus scribbled out an resent to Israel on 1/22/25
And Gaza and Lebanon.
I am genuinely disgusted at how this could even happen like this. He got the popular vote? By 5 million?
Yeah, it wasn’t even the electoral college fucking us. He straight up won, by a significant amount too.
He’s lost at everything in his life, despite trying so much and having every advantage. At a certain point the law of large numbers has to kick in.
And the one time he does it’s because of nazis lol. Still not really a victory.
It’s going to take awhile to correctly process this
don’t worry, we’ll have plenty of time to process the impacts of this when the work camps open up.
I am finding it very hard to not make the “work will set you free” joke since until yesterday it was enough in the past to be both a chilling reminder and a bit funny. But now, I am too concentrated on the potential future.
Herumalbern und entdecken
Ohhh, I like that. It really gets the point across.
Oh its worse then that.
Just winning would be bad, but with the popular vote that is a mandate.
Having a clear mandate would be very bad but the house/senate would both need to go red to be able to execute the sort of mandate promised. You know that thing that also happened.
Congratulations America! Corruption, greed and hate just won.
Big tune!
Whatever you do, don’t blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That’s just human nature after all
I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.
Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them “You have to vote for me because I’m not the other guy!”
Y’all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn’t working for them anymore.
They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don’t feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, “No, no, they’re worse, trust us, they’re worse, they’re worse.”
They’ve spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they’re seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump’s ass and decided to give Kamala’s a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she’s projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what’s necessary to defend themselves.
So we’ve had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat’s constituency already didn’t like. He dropped out but didn’t leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, “Hey, you have to vote for us because we’re not fascist.”
If the American people, people in general, don’t feel like they’re being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don’t drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there’s plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.
But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don’t face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn’t care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.
So now I pose this question to you, and I’m genuinely asking, this isn’t an “I gotcha, I am so smart!”
If a person doesn’t feel represented by their government regardless of who’s in power, and your life doesn’t drastically improve under either candidate, well… What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
You can say this but when a republican policy is “drill for more oil” and a democratic policy is “focus on clean energy,” one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won’t notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn’t care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.
You’re asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of “this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future” to have the same draw as “here’s cheaper prices NOW, we’ll ignore the future.” Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It’s completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate’s platform is beneficial, that’s not good enough since they don’t have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.
Since the idea up top is “voters aren’t to blame” I’m out
under a Democrat administration.
Dude, just admit that you’re a Trump voter. The election is over and it doesn’t matter anymore anyway.
I voted Harris, and my state went to Harris. Voted Democrat down ballot.
Guess that makes me a Trump voter. 🤷♀️
Your usage of subtle Republican grammar like “Democrat” where “Democratic” would obviously be more correct gives you away.
Uh, I’d say “vote Democrat” here too. Democrat is the noun, Democratic is the adjectival.
In the sentence “Voted Democrat down ballot,” Democrat is acting as a noun. Now if they had said “Voted for Democrat candidates down ballot,” you’d have more of a point.
Democratic administration sounds more correct than Democrat administration unless you’re severely Fox News brained. I haven’t ever heard anyone calling it a “Republic administration” which would sound just as wrong (and the wrongness is absolutely intentional IMO).
Yes, Democratic Administration makes sense, because “Democratic” is acting as an adjective to “Administration”. In this example you do want to use Democratic.
But “Voted Democrat down ballot” still sounds fine to me.
What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?
Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.
Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn’t take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn’t improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can’t count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They’ve done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.
Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.
Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.
Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.
If a strategy advances a goal it’s useful. If it doesn’t, it’s not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.
It wasn’t the voters that once again generalized half the population negatively. It’s now 3/3 on comments doing that ending with a loss.
Is this English? The words are familiar but I literally cannot extract meaning from this.
Whether you have binders full of women, baskets of deplorables, or garbage, it ends badly for you.
pfft ok
But you’re not gonna give up. You just feel like you are.
If you were gonna give up, you’d have done it the first time, but ya didn’t. There’s something in you that whispers NO FUCKIN WAY AM I GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT
Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won’t be living long at all.
Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.
Though once Trump comes up with some new logo that may or not be a swastika and it becomes draped with that logo that may not be a good thing. Though I see him going more the Mussolini route and putting his face on shit
If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn’t seem that far fetched.
It’s 2024 so that’s 51 years from now. I’m 31. If I’m not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.
Good news! The de-regulation and de-funding of FDA and USDA will probably kill you faster and more directly than climate change.
As a trans woman and a Jew there’s a ton of direct ways that I could be killed, but it’s really not worth worrying about them. =)
As a fellow trans woman, I’d like to give you a giant hug. I made another post entirely about our situation. I hope you stay safe and happy.
Don’t give up, just don’t be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.
I’m cutting out everyone in my life who voted Trump or 3rd party. This includes my parents, all of my siblings, and my in-laws. They don’t realize the damage they’ve done. I can’t even stand to look at them anymore, so I won’t.
What rights do you really have when there is a Supreme Court that will allow them to be trampled?
Our deepest condolences from across the pond.
Looking around in my European neighborhood and even my own country, it seems we have the same fucking problem here
Will be nice to see, when Europe freezes because of climate change and we need to move to the then green Sahara, how Africans will handle us immigrants.
Probably they’ll do as nicely, as we do, and will let us drown on our way there, or put us into camps, to protect their own country.Seems cooperation and mutual help is the devil…
I could cry. I’m so disappointed in all of us.
I am crying.
I don’t have the energy to be angry anymore. I’m just sad.
Starting to seriosuly consider making a solar punk party. I wanna be the radical progressives GOP thinks dems are but I dk where to start.
Find and join a mutual aid organization. Food not bombs is a good entry point for research if not participation.
Someone mentioned that and I thought it was slogan or something. Thanks for clarifying!
Absolutely! There’s lots centered around the unhoused. There are also other orgs like Mutual Aid Disaster Relief (MADR) and some focused on immigration along the southern border.
But there’s all kinds, they’re all over, just not always easy to find.
Remember to vote in all local elections. The more sensible people you get into office the more change you create. Look up all the candidates, even for things like education, water treatment, family court judges.
These are all offices that we vote (or not) into office.
When I went to look at who to vote for in the shitty midwest state I am from, (I am an expat. ) sometimes the choice wasn’t clear. Some had no party affiliation, but those who seek positions of power often move on to other positions of power. Starting at the bottom we must vote in good people.
So I looked up their campaign websites or facebook pages, and made my choice from there. Do I want the girl with little background in the subject who has republican affiliations supporting her campaign for the office?
Or maybe the guy who runs free name change clinics for people who need it and works at the local food bank.
The choice was clear to me.
I am sorry fellow Americans. This was an outcome I had greatly feared.
Don’t give up.
I’ve voted in every election in the last 24 years despite giving up hope after 2000.
It’s nice to see a sane comment that isn’t completely gloom and doom. Thank you for this small comfort friend.
stolen election, fake news, time to throw a hissy fit and storm the capital and then blame the feds like a pussy… I mean is there any other way to handle this?
Just need to convince the VP not to certify the results.
Easier. Write a executive order that bans convicted felons from the office if the conviction involved truthfulness.
It should be illegal anyway but it just isn’t.
Why don’t you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.
We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.
Sounds about white.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. It’s who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out.
I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent
The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it.
Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all.
Most of us have been, and will continue to be, engaging in direct action in our day-to-day lives.
Yeah keep it up because it’s obviously going great 👍
It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn’t my responsibility
Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI?
The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala
My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all.
Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it’s harder to whip us into a full revolution.
The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That’s why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They’ve learned how to prevent us from revolting.
It’s happening: Idiocracy (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Idiocracy would be an improvement at this point.
I might be at fault. I unironically wear Crocs because they are cheap, durable, and easy to clean.
Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn’t just fucking do it.
I’m sure in ten years, I’ll look back on this and… wish I had done it now.
Don’t do it. We’re going to need to help each other through what’s coming, and I’ll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.
That’s just what they want you to do. It’s much better to take this opportunity to fight the fascists.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to kill him instead of just yourself? Strictly hypothetically speaking
To be honest, I’m surprised nobody has proposed getting rid of the billionaires that control the politicians instead of getting rid of specific politicians. It seems to me that eliminating billionaires would be a solution.
Somewhere in the world is a billionaire that is passionate over the same fight you’re passionate about. That’s the billionaire you want to work with
