My uncle potentially, he may not bring it up (which would be nice) but still on edge about the potential of an argument. He’s been dragging down my kid cousin to be just like him too. Even if there was an argument I know I’m not going to have any backup from the rest of my family as they’re all leaning the same way, they’re just more softly spoken and worried about ‘civility’ and wouldn’t say the worst of it out loud.
We skip and do friendsgiving instead. And all our friends are on the same political side
No one gets together in my family. Be nice to see them even if they brought up politics. I’d prefer they didn’t but it would be nice to get together.
Even my corrupted parents aren’t planning on a Thanksgiving visit because of how toxic the family is.
The writing is on the wall.
Me. I’m the family member.
I’m sure the more conservative members of my extended family will be angry and complaining about the world or how much money other people have or whatever.
And I’ll probably be in my usual spot, in the other room with the kids, playing video games or watching dumb funny videos.
You mean the people I was forced to experience my childhood and early adulthood with? Not seeing them at all.
They got themselves kicked to the curb long ago. Mom died 13 years ago, which greatly improved my life. Dad died this past May and I didn’t even go to the funeral. Middle brother came out as an Oathbreaker, keeper or whatever those idiots call themselves. Oldest brother has always been a narcissistic asshat and I haven’t spoken to him in almost a decade.
Nuclear war between nations is a terrible thing that should never happen.
Nuclear war on toxic relationships is the best thing ever.
A sister that is a traditional conservative and brother that is a centrist liberal, they argue in talking points and both of their solutions are usually unrealistic garbage. It’s a big family though so most just leave the room when they get going.
Most of them since we don’t do thanksgiving where I’m from
Avoiding most family this year, spending it with those I’m close with instead.
I’m skipping Thanksgiving because my whole family has become brainwashed magats.
Even the ones I thought could never be that fuckin stupid.
Got to hang out with the hard-r racist uncle, my ‘pretends she a smart bible reader that hasn’t fallen for 4 different(in name) pyramid scams’ military sister, and my mentally disabled but violently aggressive brother that may have figured out that the cops will go easy on him every time.
These people wonder why I dread family gatherings and can’t function socially.
Be yourself, accept your family into your heart, and try to help them.
Show your racist uncle that whatever he dislikes about other races is also true for the supposed superior race, and that the things that make certain races seem inferior could be explained in other ways, like cultural issues (like racism).
Help your sister find passages in the Bible that speak to pyramid schemes, scams, gullibility, and remind her that her focus should not be on whatver these schemes are but on her Jesus and her salvation, and thank her for her service.
As much as you may hate dealing with people like this, I kinda think it’s the only way to help people. You have to build relationships with people that you dont agree with, search for good values in people and try to salvage them, pull them out of their tail spin.
My very imperfect father, whom I love and respect, has been a Trump supporter for a very long time and so any time a conversation can turn political, it does, and we all have to hear about the Democrat boogiemans and Trump the savior. As soon as it turns that way, even if I agree with his points or whatver, I just “oh shit here we go again” and what happens is, everyone in the room starts laughing because we all feel the same way. After a few of these I think he gets it, and I’ll talk with him about his ideas around Democrats and Trump, but in a curious way, and I’ll agree where we agree, and I’ll challenge him where I disagree. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree, I learn more about his perspective and we carry on.
Everyone on Earth is flawed and all we have is each other. I am so thankful for the people in my life that invested in me and I want to do the same for others.
Thank you for reading my TED talk.
I’m happy if the day ends with no violence or screaming where we pretend to be normal, and that’s not expected. It depends on if my brother is agitated that day and what shit that kicks off. I’m dipping the first elevated voice.
I feel you, but if you are only there when things are good, what’s the point?
If shit gets bad I’m out. I’m not risking safety for turkey.
All of them. They are literally neonazis but with black and white switched. They would say “black lives matter” while beating up a black Jewish person. I hate my family.
I have no problem discussing politics, but under no circumstances will I ever willingly break bread with someone who voted for Trump. You want to talk about education reform? Economic policy? Foreign policy? No problem. But if you were dumb or hateful enough to vote for that shitstain, you’re dead to me. I don’t truck with Nazi scum.
Your comment really highlights the shit state of political discourse and general culture in this country.
Discussing actual policies comes across like a leftist circle jerk because the people have decided that “fuck everything and everybody” is a valid political platform.
Not ‘fuck everything and everybody’. Just fuck everybody who decided that they wanted to vote for a man who is a serial rapist, a traitor, a convicted felon, a misogynist, a pedophile, an imbecile, and a con man. There are tens of millions of people who decided to vote for him, and I say fuck literally every single one of those people. Awful human beings, the lot of them.
Edit: upon reflection, I believe that I may have misunderstood the point you were making.
I meant that “fuck everything” is the platform of the dozens of people who voted for the rapist traitorous con man to dismantle the functional parts of our government.
What about Harris voters, who also support genocide?
I totally get not wanting to break bread with Nazis. But to sit with Harris supporters and not Trumpers projects more concern with vibes than actual policies and outcomes. You’re just showing a preference for blue Nazis over red ones at that point.
Your “whataboutism” would mean a whole lot more if Trump wasn’t even more into genocide than Harris and Biden. So your entire “vibes” retort is complete bullshit, and if you don’t know it, then you aren’t paying attention. If you do know it, then you’re lying to yourself and everybody around you.
LoL. It’s wild that you wrote this thinking you were making a good point. You really think you’re not also fascists, while arguing there’s acceptable degrees of genocide support?
It never amazes me how many people think that “genocide” is a black and white, binary thing. Genocide is committed by people, and those people, in this case, are doing it at the behest of their government. That government is almost wholly dependent on the approval and support of the United States.
Up until now, Israel has committed an incredible number of atrocities against the Palestinian people, and against people who are there to help them (aid workers, UN employees, etc.) They have been rebuked for many of these, albeit in a very ineffectual way, by the Biden government. Even though Biden (and Harris by extension) support Israel’s aggression towards the Palestinians, they are queasy about any Israeli action that is too blatantly genocidal. This, of course, has not stopped Israel from genociding, but it has slowed them down to a certain degree.
Trump has no such compunctions against genocide. He is, in fact, a full-blown cheerleader for it. The person he wants to appoint to be the ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, had this to say:
There’s really no such thing as a Palestinian… that’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel. There’s no such thing as a settlement. They’re communities, they’re neighborhoods, they’re cities. There’s no such thing as an occupation.
As riled up as you are about Biden’s Israeli policy, I challenge you to find any statement by anybody in the Biden administration that is anywhere near that level of pro-genocide.
If you’re rolling your eyes at the comparison between genocide supporters, I want to remind you of something: there are still millions of Palestinian people who are alive right now, today. Under either US government, those people are facing potential extermination at Israel’s hands. The difference is that one government wants Israel to slow down, and the other government wants them to speed up. Trump being president means that more Palestinian people will die, end of story. Additionally, there is zero chance that any form of government asylum will be granted to Palestinians fleeing Israeli violence under a Trump government.
So, no. There is no acceptable degree of genocide, and that’s not what I was arguing. But there are degees of genocide, and voting for someone who wants to turbocharge it is materially worse than voting for someone who wants to slow it down.
You seem to be confusing feelings about genocide with actual material outcomes. It really doesn’t matter if a president enthusiastically sends billions in arms, or feels “queasy” doing it. The same number of people die. And it’s illegal either way.
You people are psychotic.
And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record. There are many hours of archival footage of him calling for exactly this on the senate floor for years. You just bought into the PR.
The same number of people die.
The entire point of what I wrote in my last response to you is: “no. The same number of people don’t die. That’s a completely ridiculous supposition”. Trump being president means that more people will die. As I said in my last response (that you either failed to read, or failed to understand), it is not a binary thing. It’s not as if a genocide, once started, must be seen through to completion.
And if you think Biden felt bad about arming the genocide, you are not at all familiar with his record.
I would wager any amount of money that I am far more familiar with his record than you are. Biden isn’t preventing the genocide because he values the existence of the Israeli state more than he values the lives of the Palestinians, but that doesn’t make him immune to worrying about America’s image internationally, and that doesn’t make him completely numb to the atrocities. The same cannot be said about Trump, hence the entire dialog up to this point.
This sort of bad-faith whataboutism is exactly what the Republicans and the oligarchs want: keep everyone left of Dick Cheney infighting so they never win again. And it’s working super well, especially here on Lemmy.
I’m actually arguing against infighting in this instance. I personally believe both Trump and Harris voters should be ashamed of what they’ve supported.
But I don’t see why they shouldn’t get along with each other. Seems they have a lot of common ground. Their policies are so similar, the Harris campaign had a lot of trouble differentiating her platform, and had to resort to weak attacks like ‘Trump is WEIRD!’
Both camps support mass deportations, increased fossil fuel extraction, support for genocide in Israel, escalating tensions with China & Russia, increased police budgets, etc. Both full-throated support for a flavor of capitalist fascism. They certainly have more in common with each other than anyone on the left. And they both support the rapists & genocidal criminals in their party of preference. Doesn’t seem the Trumpers nor Harris supporters are in any position to be acting too smug to associate with the other.
I’m actually arguing against infighting in this instance.
proceeds to continue infighting
Mmm-hmm.
No, I get what you’re saying, but your false equivalency just isn’t working because you’re conveniently ignoring the absolutely dire parts of Trump’s policies.
“No, the sandwiches are the same!”
“…one of them is sauerkraut and toadstool with arsenic sauce, and the other is bologna and ketchup…?”
“But they both have BREAD!”
Look, I’m not interested in re-litigating this. You got what you wanted, Harris lost. Trump is predictably doing awful things because Harris lost. This is the world you chose. Now what?
Can you please point out the significant policy differences to me? I don’t see them. Neither did much of the electorate.
Look, I’m not interested in re-litigating this. You got what you wanted, Harris lost. Trump is predictably doing awful things because Harris lost. This is the world you chose. Now what?
There’s so many differences!! I just can’t name one.
My parents called tonight and asked if they could come on Thursday, I am NOT looking forward to seeing my hyper-christian Maga supporting white-Nationalist parents, and neither are my very sensible, LQTBQ+ supporting children and their partners, and spouses. Tomorrow, I have to call and tell them that any nonsense, or statements like the ones that were made at the last event we were at will be met by asking them to leave. Yay.
Report back soldier when its over!
What are the chances that they will actually be respectful do you think. Might there be a case for simply not inviting them?
I think it’s kind of like a last chance situation. One last chance to be civil and behave. If they mess up they are never invoted again. But I might be wrong.
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What did they say last time, spill the tea!
