China’s advanced anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) defenses—comprising missile, tracking, and counter-space systems—create formidable challenges for U.S. forces, preventing effective naval and air deployment in contested areas.
Failure to do this will mean that the Americans have effectively ceded the South China Sea, parts of the East China Sea, the Taiwan Strait, and even the Yellow Sea to the People’s Republic of China.
Once that happens, the Chinese then move with great speed to push their power beyond that First Island Chain all the way to the Third Island Chain (which includes Hawaii), and it’s a whole new ballgame.
It’s interesting how they never properly analyse how a war with China would play out outside of Chinese waters. It’s almost as if China (or any other country, really) would never bother waging war against the USA outside its own territory.
Its also impractical and entirely opposite to the decades long Chinese naval strategy. China doesn’t have an effective blue water navy anywhere near the strength of the US’, and the PLAN would get sent to the ocean floor the second they attempted to break out towards the second island chain.
Almost because their naval strategy is focused around a green water navy centered on maintaining superiority of China’s coastline and everything within the first island chain. Leaving US naval assets unable to maintain supply lines to Taiwan and the Philippines, with any vessels they send getting swarmed my smaller craft and AShM’s.
I’ve read that China really is trying to develop a blue water navy, and is seriously challenging the U.S. more than was expected. I’m not saying that makes it equivalent to the U.S. though.
Then again, that argument could at least partially be fearmongering from the Amerikkkan imperialist rather than actual policy goals and actions.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, while China would and should obviously make it’s priority the first island chain, wouldn’t it be “better” to have a dedicated force or plan to also attack from and reinforce from the second island chain if the opportunity presents itself?
And I assume that the chance of the U.S. taking Taiwan are less than 1 percent?
Huge fleets operate with submarine escorts along with substantial anti submarine escorts and assets. Ie: helicopters with dipping sonars, planes with sonar bouys, destroyers with anti submarine load outs, etc.
Submarines are mainly only good for striking isolated contacts.
Joking, but it does seem China is heavily invested in building submarines specifically. I was curious if they had a doctrine against American naval power involving submarines. Despite what you said, I’d imagine submarines can carry a sizable missile platform and strike from far, far longer distances now. Striking convoys, trade-routes, etc in order to cut off supply to the “huge fleet”. Of course they’d be protected but even the best equipment like you mentioned doesn’t always stop 15 missiles from all different directions going at mach jesus. Houthi’s managed it while on land.
Yeah it makes sense, when your opponent is a stretched global empire like the US, submarines offer the most bang for buck. The trouble the US had finding that one Russian sub that was right of the coast of Florida a little bit ago also proves that modern sub detection isn’t all powerful.
It’s interesting how they never properly analyse how a war with China would play out outside of Chinese waters. It’s almost as if China (or any other country, really) would never bother waging war against the USA outside its own territory.
Oh yeah, even when they discuss a nuclear war they just conveniently assume the US would be spared for some reason.
Its also impractical and entirely opposite to the decades long Chinese naval strategy. China doesn’t have an effective blue water navy anywhere near the strength of the US’, and the PLAN would get sent to the ocean floor the second they attempted to break out towards the second island chain.
Almost because their naval strategy is focused around a green water navy centered on maintaining superiority of China’s coastline and everything within the first island chain. Leaving US naval assets unable to maintain supply lines to Taiwan and the Philippines, with any vessels they send getting swarmed my smaller craft and AShM’s.
I’ve read that China really is trying to develop a blue water navy, and is seriously challenging the U.S. more than was expected. I’m not saying that makes it equivalent to the U.S. though.
Then again, that argument could at least partially be fearmongering from the Amerikkkan imperialist rather than actual policy goals and actions.
Playing Devil’s Advocate, while China would and should obviously make it’s priority the first island chain, wouldn’t it be “better” to have a dedicated force or plan to also attack from and reinforce from the second island chain if the opportunity presents itself?
And I assume that the chance of the U.S. taking Taiwan are less than 1 percent?
Not a blue water navy but China has quite a few submarines. That I would imagine would be the counter to massive fleets.
Huge fleets operate with submarine escorts along with substantial anti submarine escorts and assets. Ie: helicopters with dipping sonars, planes with sonar bouys, destroyers with anti submarine load outs, etc.
Submarines are mainly only good for striking isolated contacts.
Yes…but what if you had like…a lot of them. /s
Joking, but it does seem China is heavily invested in building submarines specifically. I was curious if they had a doctrine against American naval power involving submarines. Despite what you said, I’d imagine submarines can carry a sizable missile platform and strike from far, far longer distances now. Striking convoys, trade-routes, etc in order to cut off supply to the “huge fleet”. Of course they’d be protected but even the best equipment like you mentioned doesn’t always stop 15 missiles from all different directions going at mach jesus. Houthi’s managed it while on land.
Yeah it makes sense, when your opponent is a stretched global empire like the US, submarines offer the most bang for buck. The trouble the US had finding that one Russian sub that was right of the coast of Florida a little bit ago also proves that modern sub detection isn’t all powerful.
Can you imagine hearing the same thing about China ceding the Gulf of Mexico?