It seems unlikely that half of their users would be transgender, given that transgender people make up roughly .5% of the overall population; gay people (gay men + lesbians) make up roughly 4.5-5% of the overall population the last time I looked at demographics. All of the LGBTQ+ people together make up about 6% of the total population in the US.
These numbers might have changed somewhat in the last year or two since I last check surveys, but it’s not likely that it’s changed enough to move the numbers sharply.
I know that there was some investigative reporting in my state a few months ago trying to figure out how many minors would be affected by a state-level ban on insurance covering gender-affirming care for minors, and the number was in in the very low double digits. The same kind of numbers of athletes would be affected by bans on ‘biological males’ competing in womens’ sports.
I’m just saying that it just doesn’t seem very likely that an instance with thousands of users would have that kind of demographics, esp. when you consider that Hexbear broadly has a monolithic political identity.
I mean I could believe it about an arbitrary thing over a general populace. I mean like a gay bar is likely to have like 90% gay people in it. And its not like the federation is huge and it tends to attract out groups.
A gay bar doesn’t have a (largely) monolithic political identity though. Sure, most gay people are going to trend more socially and fiscally liberal/left. But you’ll still find a number at any gay bar that are fairly socially and/or fiscally conservative. Log cabin Republicans, for instance. (Yeah, I think it’s dumb to kiss the asses of ppl that want to eliminate your rights, but whatever.)
I honestly have no idea why your shifting to political ideology. My point was when you take anything that is a closed type of system it will have its own identity so I could believe its makeup is whatever and no where near close to the global average is.
They’re pointing out that hexbear isn’t like a gay bar. Its not the sexual orientation that holds them together. It’s extremest political ideology (and probably significant support from the Kremlin)
yeah that was not really my point though. when something is not broad enough, like federation instances, then any particular anomaly is possible. It does not have to be specific sort of place. So lets say instead of a gay bar its just a corner bars but it so happens a fair amount of gay people decided to frequent it because others were or such.
I’m just saying that it just doesn’t seem very likely that an instance with thousands of users would have that kind of demographics, esp. when you consider that Hexbear broadly has a monolithic political identity.
Comrade just learned what an intersectional identity group is
I think that you might misunderstand. Transgender people are already a very, very small minority. The number of people that are in favor of authoritarian communism is also quite low (certainly in the US, at least). Even if you assume that, say, 50% of all trans people are supportive of authoritarian communism, that’s still an incredibly tiny number.
I can’t say that I know a ton of transgender people, but the ones that I’ve personally known have trended well into anarchism, because they recognize the risk of allowing anyone to control their body other than themselves.
Transgender people are already a very, very small minority. The number of people that are in favor of authoritarian communism is also quite low (certainly in the US, at least).
Couple things:
They might each be small minorities of the overall population, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a very large overlap with each other. Assuming that they don’t simply because you don’t personally know many who fit that intersection could just mean that you don’t frequent the same spaces they do - possibly because you don’t share one or either of those characteristics
I’ll let you do your own math and get back to me if your calculated percentages could possibly add up to 700 people (half of an estimated 1400 monthly active users) on the internet who identify as both trans and communist
Ok so 800 people. Hell, let’s bump it up to 1,000 people. Let me know if there could reasonably be 1,000 people online who are both communist and trans
They existed before the major migration from reddit, and were born out of very specifically the chapo trap house sub, that was decidedly a safe space for trans folks. They then carried that mentality to hexbear, and have strictly enforced those rules since its start. Why is it so impossible to believe that there is a strong bias towards folks that are gender questioning to end up there, and that their politics align?
Imho if I can bring some nuance here. I’m also responding to some other comments you made.
I had never seen that poll and to second you I think that 40% of a community is high standard from a statistical point of vue.
With that been said concerning the results I have seen others argue with you over them but I believe the argument is a bit pointless since all of you have valid points.
Assuming that those numbers are correct and follow through the remaining 60%, it does not, however, change the point of my post. Doubting the veracity of a the fact that at least half of an instance is made up of a certain demographic does make you a -insert-phobic. I say this because I am giving the top comment in the screenshot I posted the benefit of the doubt since I can safety assume that he has not seen that poll (neither did I, again). Discussing the accuracy of those results does not question trans people’s identity and it is understandable to have doubts when it comes to anything coming out of the heaven of truth that is the Grad.
I am sure that, with some good faith arguments and a bit of time, they would come to accept those numbers.
You must understand that most if not all Hex users do not make any arguments in good faith and will jump on the occasion to bully anyone who might even remotely from 100 light years away question their opinion. They also have a lovely tendency to put words in in others mouth and will manipulate any of your words to serve their own purposes.
Now for the sake of argument and please bear with me again. I am going to not show good faith in this part of my response and behave closer to what a user from tho grad does.
Now you’re telling us that half of the users from an instance that has been created by Trans people are men? yikes I’m getting mega chaser vibes.
I could continue behaving like this and we could go on and on but I will not. I am also responding to some of the people arguing with you in this response and I want to say to everyone that we need to show more empathy, good faith and try as much as possible to stick to facts.
It seems unlikely that half of their users would be transgender, given that transgender people make up roughly .5% of the overall population; gay people (gay men + lesbians) make up roughly 4.5-5% of the overall population the last time I looked at demographics. All of the LGBTQ+ people together make up about 6% of the total population in the US.
These numbers might have changed somewhat in the last year or two since I last check surveys, but it’s not likely that it’s changed enough to move the numbers sharply.
I know that there was some investigative reporting in my state a few months ago trying to figure out how many minors would be affected by a state-level ban on insurance covering gender-affirming care for minors, and the number was in in the very low double digits. The same kind of numbers of athletes would be affected by bans on ‘biological males’ competing in womens’ sports.
I’m just saying that it just doesn’t seem very likely that an instance with thousands of users would have that kind of demographics, esp. when you consider that Hexbear broadly has a monolithic political identity.
I mean I could believe it about an arbitrary thing over a general populace. I mean like a gay bar is likely to have like 90% gay people in it. And its not like the federation is huge and it tends to attract out groups.
But it is not as if the instance advertises itself as a place specifically for trans people.
yeah Im just saying I think its possible. ultimately I just don’t care and don’t see why anyone else would.
A gay bar doesn’t have a (largely) monolithic political identity though. Sure, most gay people are going to trend more socially and fiscally liberal/left. But you’ll still find a number at any gay bar that are fairly socially and/or fiscally conservative. Log cabin Republicans, for instance. (Yeah, I think it’s dumb to kiss the asses of ppl that want to eliminate your rights, but whatever.)
I honestly have no idea why your shifting to political ideology. My point was when you take anything that is a closed type of system it will have its own identity so I could believe its makeup is whatever and no where near close to the global average is.
They’re pointing out that hexbear isn’t like a gay bar. Its not the sexual orientation that holds them together. It’s extremest political ideology (and probably significant support from the Kremlin)
yeah that was not really my point though. when something is not broad enough, like federation instances, then any particular anomaly is possible. It does not have to be specific sort of place. So lets say instead of a gay bar its just a corner bars but it so happens a fair amount of gay people decided to frequent it because others were or such.
Comrade just learned what an intersectional identity group is
I think that you might misunderstand. Transgender people are already a very, very small minority. The number of people that are in favor of authoritarian communism is also quite low (certainly in the US, at least). Even if you assume that, say, 50% of all trans people are supportive of authoritarian communism, that’s still an incredibly tiny number.
I can’t say that I know a ton of transgender people, but the ones that I’ve personally known have trended well into anarchism, because they recognize the risk of allowing anyone to control their body other than themselves.
Couple things:
Estimated “over 1,400” monthly users. Be honest with your numbers.
Ok so 800 people. Hell, let’s bump it up to 1,000 people. Let me know if there could reasonably be 1,000 people online who are both communist and trans
Obviously there could. But on Lemmy? That’s ridiculous.
They existed before the major migration from reddit, and were born out of very specifically the chapo trap house sub, that was decidedly a safe space for trans folks. They then carried that mentality to hexbear, and have strictly enforced those rules since its start. Why is it so impossible to believe that there is a strong bias towards folks that are gender questioning to end up there, and that their politics align?
I can’t even tell of you’re joking. Hexbear was created specifically by trans communists from reddit, where else would they be going?
Imho if I can bring some nuance here. I’m also responding to some other comments you made.
I had never seen that poll and to second you I think that 40% of a community is high standard from a statistical point of vue.
With that been said concerning the results I have seen others argue with you over them but I believe the argument is a bit pointless since all of you have valid points.
Assuming that those numbers are correct and follow through the remaining 60%, it does not, however, change the point of my post. Doubting the veracity of a the fact that at least half of an instance is made up of a certain demographic does make you a -insert-phobic. I say this because I am giving the top comment in the screenshot I posted the benefit of the doubt since I can safety assume that he has not seen that poll (neither did I, again). Discussing the accuracy of those results does not question trans people’s identity and it is understandable to have doubts when it comes to anything coming out of the heaven of truth that is the Grad.
I am sure that, with some good faith arguments and a bit of time, they would come to accept those numbers.
You must understand that most if not all Hex users do not make any arguments in good faith and will jump on the occasion to bully anyone who might even remotely from 100 light years away question their opinion. They also have a lovely tendency to put words in in others mouth and will manipulate any of your words to serve their own purposes.
Now for the sake of argument and please bear with me again. I am going to not show good faith in this part of my response and behave closer to what a user from tho grad does.
Now you’re telling us that half of the users from an instance that has been created by Trans people are men? yikes I’m getting mega chaser vibes.
I could continue behaving like this and we could go on and on but I will not. I am also responding to some of the people arguing with you in this response and I want to say to everyone that we need to show more empathy, good faith and try as much as possible to stick to facts.