The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn’t a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.
Thanks for these responses. I hope everyone reaches a satisfactory resolution to this. I don’t like to see communities or instances infighting, but I suppose it’s just part of us growing as a platform.
I suppose that’s dependent on what you want to look at. I still find the platform wholly engaging, and overall more diverse, though I feel the front page has become a bit dominated by polarizing opinions, but we do feel to be on a crappy slice of our timeline right now, so I can’t totally fault people for that.
This particular scenario is a little inappropriate to say this is us maturing as a platform, but it’s definitely…a thing that is happening…
As I understand it, it wasn’t a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn’t want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196’s ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.
Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.
If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users
That’s… not at all what I said.
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue. I think you’re lying to cover for them.
I’m lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.
Oh, I know. I’m just accurately depicting what those mods are ACTUALLY mad about.
Not being a transphobe is really simple. Someone tells you “Hello, nice to meet you! I identify as ____, my pronouns are /.” If you respect their self-identity and chosen pronouns, then congratulations, you’re not a transphobe! You all failed this test. You all failed it hard. There’s been one transgender individual in this entire drama. Dragon Rider. Dragon Rider has been repeatedly been referred to as a guy and with the pronouns he/him, despite constantly stressing that drag is non-binary and uses drag/dragself pronouns. Including val, someone you did not correct in this very conversation. Drag has been called a troll for defending dragself for months on end now. If I was one of the trans people your side of this argument was supposedly trying to protect, I would be very scared for my safety on this website.
I said They weren’t a troll because they genuinely believed what they believe. Those were two entirely separate statements, and two entirely different bad things to be. Please do listen to people when they’re talking to you, if nothing else than to avoid simple blunders like this
You misgendered “drag” twice in this comment. Hmmm…
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned actioned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned actioned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid? Which is an instance rules violation and not the mods’ decision on whether to action?
The story you’re telling seems very relevant to pronouns and gender if your personal history is included.
You know damn well it has nothing to do with pronouns. It’s about your abuse of them. You’re just making the “attack helicopter” argument, but in a way that’s subtle enough to be believable by those gullible enough to be taken advantage of.
You’ve been banned from several instances for trolling, and finally found one that buys into it- thus creating even more of that savory drama for yourself.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid?
No, but nice try. Very typical of your brand of trolling.
You’re right, drag misremembered there being a ban. It was actually just post locks and comment removals by Ada when you said that queerphobic stuff the mods wouldn’t remove.
Thank you for the correction, drag is sorry for the mistake. Together, we’re getting to the truth.
The locked post isn’t even on Blahaj. The removed comment, that I was leaving because of disagreements with the admins but acknowledged their right to make such decisions, was hilariously petty in the vein of Ada removing posts (and handing out bans) for people saying things like “Dragons aren’t real”. Nor am I at any point defended by the 196 mods.
You very deliberately said you don’t acknowledge drag’s gender, and in the same comment acknowledged that your view isn’t welcome on Blahaj. How is it petty for an admin to enforce the rules you knew and admitted you were breaking?
You could have said exactly that without adding in the transphobic part. How come you left it out just now, but not a month ago? Did you learn what’s acceptable and what’s not acceptable since then?
Although…this is some sort of spat relating to pronouns, and as I recall, isn’t that guy’s thing referring to himself using the third person?
The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn’t a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.
Thanks for these responses. I hope everyone reaches a satisfactory resolution to this. I don’t like to see communities or instances infighting, but I suppose it’s just part of us growing as a platform.
Home brew drama is driving genuine engagement…
Let them fight, bring some popcorn!
At the end of the day, they ain’t leaving fedi so it is win win
I mean, it has drug me into it despite me having them hidden in my feed, so it’s effective.
Not the type of things I usually look for, but I know many do enjoy it.
Unfortunately, we’re not even growing
I suppose that’s dependent on what you want to look at. I still find the platform wholly engaging, and overall more diverse, though I feel the front page has become a bit dominated by polarizing opinions, but we do feel to be on a crappy slice of our timeline right now, so I can’t totally fault people for that.
This particular scenario is a little inappropriate to say this is us maturing as a platform, but it’s definitely…a thing that is happening…
Then you were right 🙂
Why are you being so vague about what the disagreement was?
As I understand it, it wasn’t a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn’t want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196’s ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.
Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.
That’s… not at all what I said.
I’m lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.
Uh.
Okay.
Oh, I know. I’m just accurately depicting what those mods are ACTUALLY mad about.
Not being a transphobe is really simple. Someone tells you “Hello, nice to meet you! I identify as ____, my pronouns are /.” If you respect their self-identity and chosen pronouns, then congratulations, you’re not a transphobe! You all failed this test. You all failed it hard. There’s been one transgender individual in this entire drama. Dragon Rider. Dragon Rider has been repeatedly been referred to as a guy and with the pronouns he/him, despite constantly stressing that drag is non-binary and uses drag/dragself pronouns. Including val, someone you did not correct in this very conversation. Drag has been called a troll for defending dragself for months on end now. If I was one of the trans people your side of this argument was supposedly trying to protect, I would be very scared for my safety on this website.
This you?
You misgendered “drag” twice in this comment. Hmmm…
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada
bannedactioned even though the 196 mods didn’t want youbannedactioned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid? Which is an instance rules violation and not the mods’ decision on whether to action?The story you’re telling seems very relevant to pronouns and gender if your personal history is included.
You know damn well it has nothing to do with pronouns. It’s about your abuse of them. You’re just making the “attack helicopter” argument, but in a way that’s subtle enough to be believable by those gullible enough to be taken advantage of.
You’ve been banned from several instances for trolling, and finally found one that buys into it- thus creating even more of that savory drama for yourself.
Removed by mod
My evidence is the modlogs that prove how frequently you stir pots.
No, but nice try. Very typical of your brand of trolling.
You’re right, drag misremembered there being a ban. It was actually just post locks and comment removals by Ada when you said that queerphobic stuff the mods wouldn’t remove.
Thank you for the correction, drag is sorry for the mistake. Together, we’re getting to the truth.
The locked post isn’t even on Blahaj. The removed comment, that I was leaving because of disagreements with the admins but acknowledged their right to make such decisions, was hilariously petty in the vein of Ada removing posts (and handing out bans) for people saying things like “Dragons aren’t real”. Nor am I at any point defended by the 196 mods.
You very deliberately said you don’t acknowledge drag’s gender, and in the same comment acknowledged that your view isn’t welcome on Blahaj. How is it petty for an admin to enforce the rules you knew and admitted you were breaking?
“I acknowledge that the recent position of the admins means I am no longer welcome here, and will thus be leaving. I wish them all the best.”
“How DARE you say that out loud? Removed”
You could have said exactly that without adding in the transphobic part. How come you left it out just now, but not a month ago? Did you learn what’s acceptable and what’s not acceptable since then?
That user claims they are enunciating neopronouns, but yes, the inconsistent third person syntax fucks it all up
Drag isn’t a man, guy, or dude, and doesn’t use he/him.