And if you’d decide to leave, where would you go?

Context for why I’m asking: I’m trans and currently live in Minnesota, I moved here from Florida so I have some idea of how miserable big moves can be. I can get EU citizenship which makes me very lucky, but… Do I sit here and hope Minnesota can protect me from 🥭 or do I try to build a life somewhere else, again?

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    Really depends. Can I get a job outside the US quickly? Am I a citizen able to leave at will?

    I’m in the process of moving to a blue state, but I’d be open to Europe

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    Yes because living here is a death sentence for me. Kinda like how it was before the Holocaust. Living in Germany when Hitler came into power was a death sentence for people like me.

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    I assume this means being able to do so comfortably and with stability. Absolutely. However, the list of countries I consider good places to go is getting small. I hate being “American”, I don’t feel like I belong at all. The vast majority are just center line brain dead zombies and the people outside of that are all into fascism in one flavor or another.

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    I can get EU citizenship which makes me very lucky

    You said “can get”, implying you haven’t done so yet. My advice? Get the EU citizenship. Simply getting EU citizenship doesn’t commit you to actually moving overseas.

    That said, things aren’t that bad right now, but it’ll take time to process the paperwork. By the time things get bad enough to force you, you may not have the time to wait for your application to be processed. Plus, depending on the number of refugees, they may change the rules on who qualifies.

    Worst thing that happens is that you spend some time, effort and money and you get some peace of mind, which isn’t a terrible thing at all.

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      This is the right answer. OP has a very privileged advantage not many people have, and not taking advantage of the opportunity would be such a waste, given they are actually considering it in the first place. And you’re right, getting citizenship doesn’t mean they have to move immediately, it just opens the door for options if shit hits the fan and they actually need to leave.

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        Best thing is that, if they do have to move, they could get married and save sometime else as well.

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    I personally would not. I’ve lived most of my life now in a very blue area in a very red state, and I love it here. But, while I put the “B” in LGBTQ and am in a committed relationship that’s far from monogamous, I’m superficially a cishet white man, and in general I’m treated with more respect by people who have irrational prejudices than many others.

    I use that respect to advocate for the rights of others, and I’m not going to stop being an advocate in Texas. I have friends who are gay, lesbian, and trans who feel the same way and aren’t going anywhere. I would like them all to fight by my side, but I also don’t begrudge anyone who feels like they need to leave this state for safety reasons. This applies particularly acutely to parents of trans children who have to leave to access gender affirming care and not be subject to prosecution.

    All that said, if you’re not an EU citizen but are eligible for citizenship, that does sound like an enticing option. How long would it take you to establish citizenship there? At that point, you’d have dual citizenship and could freely move on either continent. So it boils down to whether you want that or not. Minnesota seems like a fine place to live (but way colder than I could ever tolerate), but so do some EU countries. How will you adapt to the culture? Will you be alright living in an entirely different culture or will you miss US culture too much? What does your current support system look like, and how would you feel about leaving it? You’ve got a lot to think about!

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    If you’re tired of Minnesota, come to Portland! We’ve got your back here.

    But I’d get that citizenship anyway.

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    As a European, I’m biased and say go for it! They being said, Europe has a lot of different climates and cultures to offer so kinda depends what your looking for.

    In a perfect world (where you have the money and time to do so), I would suggest you backpack around for 3+ months and see which vibes you like the most. At the very least, I would suggest visiting somewhere in Europe first (even just one place) if you haven’t done so

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    If you don’t mind the cold of Minnesota, maybe Norway could be a good fit. My sister and her trans boyfriend seem to thrive in Trondheim.

    You might prefer a larger city in a more southern country if you want the option of proper city life. I hear the Netherlands is particularly good despite being rainy, not to mention very built up and close to other metropolitan centers. But if you like the outdoors, Trondheim probably fits well. It’s pretty well developed for it’s size, too.

    Can I suggest packing light and moving around in the EU to see if you find a favorite place?

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    It depends on so many factors. How well you can and more importantly if you are willing to appear “passing”, and/or if you are in a local area that is accepting. You will likely never be “proud” of the USA again, sadly, if that’s a thing for you. It’s worth grieving that.

    On the other hand, big moves REALLY suck! And that’s not to be undertaken lightly, even if only for consideration of timing. Would you be abandoning family, possibly someone who you want to become family but aren’t ready to move to another country with? That kind of thing.

    It helps to think it all through, be kind to yourself in the meantime, and think like: “which would I later regret the most, looking back?” You may legit want to wait a few years first, or, you might not. Maybe either way give yourself a year to process it all. Or don’t, and if that’s your call, then don’t look back:-).

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    Already left in 2003 or so.

    Healthcare financial risk was an issue, and I was there on an H1, so I just went home.

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      “Oh wow, houses in East Kilbride are really cheap, can’t wait to move there and gaze out my window at all the mountains and highland cows!”

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        It’s SHITE being Scottish! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!

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    Skipping a lot of pitfalls by assuming like for like standard of living, family stays together, similar job, and no question whether we’d get in or not, probably one of the scandiavian countries. I’d need to do some research, but there’s one of them (or more?) I thought that had both super high taxes (wait for it) and also a super happy population with a wide array of well thought out public services.

    I’d settle for any country where I could be reasonably likely not to encounter death camps or civil war within the next few decades, though.