• Lauchs@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I mean, yes, sex is often free but if one gender is willing to pay significantly more it seems like a pretty reasonable indicator that one gender values/desires sex more.

    I dunno, just seems like you are very much determined that something is true with zero evidence. Some people have religion, you have this belief. Except with religion, there’s not reams of physical evidence you’ve decided to disregard because you dislike the conclusions they represent.

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      24 hours ago

      Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I’m agnostic to who’s more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.

      You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.

      I really think we’re arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.

      I can be convinced, you just haven’t done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.

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        22 hours ago

        Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests?

        Okay, can you then admit that in rich countries, it appears that men are, on average, hornier than women?

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          22 hours ago

          I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?

          I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.

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            1 hour ago

            They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?

            Great question! If only there were some means to access sexual material in the privacy of one’s home. Some sort of world wide web that allowed users to access pretty much their heart’s desire online… Wait a minute, that exists! And (unsurprisingly) mozt of the sexual material skews heavily male.

            For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.

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              For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.

              This is an extremely uninspired list. Let me help.

              1. Women could be put off from watching porn when first introduced due the male centered industry and generally less acceptance of their sexual expression leading to longer term differences in how they get their fix.
              2. The smut industry while not as lucrative could produce more sexual stimulation per dollar. I know there is a lot of pirating in the smut community. And books take a while to get through.
              3. Porn sites may not capture gender from their user base perfectly.
              4. Again, there are a lot of ways to get off for free. Any women could get on a dating app and get their fix in half a day.
              5. Women centered porn sites may not make as much per view.

              I could keep going, but its becoming more work. My point is that there is way too much wiggle room in the money argument. You just can’t account for how our culture affects their expression unless you’ve studied it.

              Economics is much better for studying how money moves. Idk why we would use it to try and generalize the experiences of a group. It is exceptionally indirect and biased. It is a silly thing to use as a foundation for that kind of belief.

              Edit: removed snarky comment, I was feeling a bit hot