• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Nothing Russia or China have done even comes close. US has been at war for 92% of its existence. It has been invading countries and killing countless millions of people while creating incredible amounts of human suffering for the survivors of US aggression. US massacred over 6 million people with its war on terror alone.

    On top of that, US has been destabilizing countries, overthrowing democracies, and putting in despotic dictatorships like Pinochet in Chile. Entire books have been written documenting these crimes against humanity.

    On the other hand, China hasn’t been at war since the 70s, and it certainly has the same resources available to it to wage war that US does. Instead, it chooses to peacefully create mutually beneficial relationships with countries. Russia has been at war, but even the war in Ukraine doesn’t begin to compare to atrocities such as the invasion of Iraq and the war on terror.

    If you’re an American, then you should be deeply ashamed of your ignorance regarding what your country does. The people of US are directly responsible for the crimes they allow their government to commit. The blood is on your hands.

    edit: I love how mad you’re all getting when faced with the basic facts about your shithole nation. America is the genocidal regime and a plight upon the world. And since you all claim to have a democracy over there, you are all personally responsible for the atrocities your regime commits.

    You enable them and benefit from them while pretending that it’s actually the other countries that are the problem instead of doing any self reflection and fixing your own shithole. You are the most deplorable nation, unable to even look in the mirror.

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      You seem to just disregard everything any country does unless its the US. You are also only looking at what countries have done outside their borders, which I don’t think is the best way to look at it.

      And since you all claim to have a democracy over there, you are all personally responsible for the atrocities your regime commits.

      The people of US are directly responsible for the crimes they allow their government to commit. The blood is on your hands.

      This is completely nonsensical and just plain stupid. Even if our democracy actually worked, I would be 1/150 million votes. My bad, next time I’ll just vote differently. Problem solved!

      You enable them and benefit from them while pretending that it’s actually the other countries that are the problem instead of doing any self reflection and fixing your own shithole.

      I don’t see anyone claiming it’s without issue. They were responding to where you ignored everything wrong China has done, clearly demonstrating your bias. You ignored or downplayed every point they brought up just so you could feel like China was the good guy.

      Trust me, no nation state is the good guy. They don’t do things just because they are good, or just because they are bad. They are all selfish and greedy, they pay no mind to the lives they trample over to achieve glory and power. The CCP would brutally murder you in a second flat if it meant they were an inch closer to their goals. There is no point in defending them.

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        You seem to just disregard everything any country does unless its the US. You are also only looking at what countries have done outside their borders, which I don’t think is the best way to look at it.

        No.

        This is completely nonsensical and just plain stupid. Even if our democracy actually worked, I would be 1/150 million votes. My bad, next time I’ll just vote differently. Problem solved!

        The government of a country that calls itself democratic represents the will of the people in that country. That’s literally what a democracy is. Either US is an authoritarian regime where the government is not implementing the wishes of the people, or the people of US are responsible for what US government is doing. Can’t have it both ways.

        I don’t see anyone claiming it’s without issue. They were responding to where you ignored everything wrong China has done, clearly demonstrating your bias. You ignored or downplayed every point they brought up just so you could feel like China was the good guy.

        The whole context of this thread is that China hasn’t done anything that even begins to compare to what US does. Yet, you point fingers at China instead of fixing your own country or even taking responsibility for what your country does. This is a morally bankrupt position.

        Trust me, no nation state is the good guy. They don’t do things just because they are good, or just because they are bad. They are all selfish and greedy, they pay no mind to the lives they trample over to achieve glory and power. The CCP would brutally murder you in a second flat if it meant they were an inch closer to their goals. There is no point in defending them.

        China lifted over 800 million people out of poverty and CPC continues to ensure that the quality of life for people in China is improving each and every year. Seems to me that those are much better goals than starting wars around the globe and murdering people which is what US does.

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          No.

          Not really a response but ok.

          Either US is an authoritarian regime where the government is not implementing the wishes of the people, or the people of US are responsible for what US government is doing.

          It effectively is an authoritarian regime with no regard for its peoples wishes. Whatever democracy we have does not work.

          Yet, you point fingers at China instead of fixing your own country or even taking responsibility for what your country does.

          I don’t need to take responsibility for it. I have yet to commit any war crimes or massacre innocent people. I do acknowledge that the US has done so, however.

          China lifted over 800 million people out of poverty and CPC continues to ensure that the quality of life for people in China is improving each and every year.

          China oppresses its people far more than the US. Its not even a competition. Tell the Uyghurs about that “quality of life”.

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            It effectively is an authoritarian regime with no regard for its peoples wishes. Whatever democracy we have does not work.

            Then perhaps Americans should fixing on their own country instead of fixating on what countries like China might be doing. US has no moral right to play global police, and people in US have no moral ground to criticize other countries.

            I don’t need to take responsibility for it. I have yet to commit any war crimes or massacre innocent people. I do acknowledge that the US has done so, however.

            As a citizen of US you bear responsibility for what your country does. People in US directly benefit from the global plundering and exploitation that US does, and unless you’re actively working on changing that then you are part of the system that enables these atrocities.

            China oppresses its people far more than the US. Its not even a competition. Tell the Uyghurs about that “quality of life”.

            Have you met any Uyghurs living in China. You just admitted that you live in an oppressive authoritarian regime, but you completely believe what it tells you about China?

            However, truth leaks even into western media now and then, here’s what an actual Uyghur interviewed by AP has to say

            “I’ve been drinking alcohol, I’m a little drunk, but that’s no problem. We can drink as we want now!” he shouted. “We can do what we want! Things are great now!”

            Here’s the GDP in Xinjiang going up 5.1% which is directly resulting in the quality of life improving https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1295093.shtml

            Meanwhile, US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, far higher than China. And the prisoners are routinely used as literal slave labour. That’s the country that oppresses its people, and you’re right that it’s not even a competition because China doesn’t do anything of the sort.

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              As a citizen of US you bear responsibility for what your country does. People in US directly benefit from the global plundering and exploitation that US does, and unless you’re actively working on changing that then you are part of the system that enables these atrocities.

              I don’t enable anything. I am stripped of my power on purpose so I can’t stop this. I have no choice, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Its completely absurd that you think I can just go fix it. How do you suppose I do that exactly? Not only can I not stop it, but it does not benefit me. It benefits a very small minority of Americans who have infinitely more power and money than I do.

              You just admitted that you live in an oppressive authoritarian regime, but you completely believe what it tells you about China?

              My news sources are not the american government. I have the freedom to get real information unlike citizens of China.

              That’s the country that oppresses its people, and you’re right that it’s not even a competition because China doesn’t do anything of the sort.

              You seriously think China doesn’t oppress its people at all? I can’t even fathom the amount of evidence you have to disregard to believe that.

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                I don’t enable anything. I am stripped of my power on purpose so I can’t stop this. I have no choice, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Its completely absurd that you think I can just go fix it. How do you suppose I do that exactly? Not only can I not stop it, but it does not benefit me. It benefits a very small minority of Americans who have infinitely more power and money than I do.

                That’s completely false. You can spend time learning about the atrocities US commits, and educating others. You can start organizing politically within your community or join an existing organization that likely exists. How do you think people have overthrown other oppressive regimes, there’s nothing unique about the US. What enables this monstrosity to perpetuate is precisely you kind of attitude that there is nothing that can be done. The country is its people, and as long as people are willing to accept what their regime is doing the horrors continue.

                My news sources are not the american government. I have the freedom to get real information unlike citizens of China.

                LMFAO

                You seriously think China doesn’t oppress its people at all? I can’t even fathom the amount of evidence you have to disregard to believe that.

                I seriously don’t think that China oppresses people in any way that’s even remotely comparable to the way US oppresses its people as well as people all around the globe. I’m really curious how you formed your strong opinions regarding China. Have you lived in China, do you speak Chinese language, do you talk to people who actually live there?

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                  Ay dude, you are really a chinese bot, arnt you? So much astroturfing, don’t ya got any hobbies, expect licking Xijingpings dick, online everyday?

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                  LMFAO

                  What are you laughing at? Try accessing a website not endorsed by the CCP inside China, see what happens.

                  How do you think people have overthrown other oppressive regimes, there’s nothing unique about the US.

                  Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize all I had to do was overthrow my government. All this time I thought it was effectively impossible because any movement against them would be extinguished without a second thought by the ridiculously powerful US military.

                  You go against the US, you die. There is no overthrowing them, not for the time being anyway. How naive are you that you think I am 100% in control of my overlords. If I tried anything, I would die and nothing would change. I don’t think its worth throwing away my life to make absolutely no difference.

                  If you are so fucking stupid that you would blame me for the US’s crimes that I had nothing to do with, then I don’t see any point in arguing with you more.

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                    What are you laughing at? Try accessing a website not endorsed by the CCP inside China, see what happens.

                    I’m laughing at you thinking that your oligarch owned media is somehow more objective than state media, the fact that you don’t even know how to spell CPC says a lot about the information diet you consume. Entire books have been written on the subject of public opinion manipulation by western media. Here are a couple you might want to read

                    Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize all I had to do was overthrow my government. All this time I thought it was effectively impossible because any movement against them would be extinguished without a second thought by the ridiculously powerful US military.

                    This shows such a profound lack of understanding of how anything works. The shitty US military consists of a few hundred thousand people who rely on the rest of the country to operate. If there was a popular movement in US against the regime then the military couldn’t do much about it. In fact, if you weren’t ignorant of your own history then you’d know that such a movement existed back in the 1930s during the great depression. That’s what resulted in the New Deal being created to appease the people and prevent a revolution. When millions of working class people organize then change happens. When people like you pretend that nothing can be done atrocities continue.

                    The only one fucking stupid here is the guy who is utterly ignorant of history or how social change works in practice. You’re absolutely right that arguing with you is pointless, you’re uneducated and you confidently believe absurdities.