I thank we can develop state that our media landscape is beyond toxic. It’s apparent that much of our population is getting fed information through tik Tok, Facebook, and YouTube. Learning how to game the system like the alt-right does would be incredibly worthwhile.

Taxing the upper class was part of their platform though…so…still unsure as to where there against the “working class”.

Exactly. I think most of us have identified that the fucking corporate media can’t be trusted to be reliable. This is partially their fault for sane-washing Trump over and over again.

That said, there is resistance. Please check out the subreddit /r/SomethingIsWrong2024.

… there’s an argument to be made that…maybe they didn’t vote that way.

There’s some serious irregularities in the way votes are appearing in key battleground states. The number of bullet votes is insanely off (historically 0.1%, but somehow 7% in BG states), a historical amount of people voting blue down ballot but then voted Trump, the number of bomb threats called into ballot counting areas in BG states, and how all of the irregularities are only being found in BG states.

It makes you step back and say… something weird is going on here.

Ah yes, kindness, compassion, and empathy being considered “wokeness”. Can’t have that. Much better to have hate, disgust, and cruelty.

Here here!

I would agree…but he’s working under Trump. The second that Rubio is “too moderate” he’s going to ask Rubio to resign.

Yes, put unqualified sycophants in the role. That’s sure to be super efficient. Good job Trump.

…yes…like very normal people…

…because taxing the rich, adding affordable daycare/child tax credits, a propose ban on price gouging, and other middle class incentives were abandoning the left…totes. The narrative that’s being pushed here is pretty bullshit. Her platform was on point for the middle class and below.

Sure. She campaigned in battleground states, more than any where else…but that was strategic. And it makes sense at the time.

Everyone just keeps saying “she abandoned the left” without adding literally any examples of it.

The DNC fucked up by not holding primaries, but Harris ran a pretty damn good game.

He gave them table scraps while feasting with his cronies (remember those COVID checks?).

Just look at what happened the farms after Brexit. Lol. That will tell you all you need to know.

I don’t believe that it is. I believe that the problem lies in the fact that we’re not communicating effectively with the voting base. Her policies we’re not bad and effectively DID target the working class, for example child care and expanding taxes on the upper class. Her economic policies were strong and we would have seen benefits. However, none of this matters if this information isn’t getting to the voter base.

Conservatives are actively targeting Gen Z and nonpoliticals with absolutely bullshit lies - for example, staying that liberals are actually racist, that DEI is making things worse for people, and that our whole policy is based on insults and hatred. Of course, to anyone paying any attention, this is blatantly false…but to an outside viewer, whose struggling to make ends meet, who’s single and insular, whose constantly told that women have it rough (and nothing about how to deal with men’s problems) they find the conservative arguments start to gain roots.

We want to win next time? We need to talk to people. Tell them what being a man really means. That empathy, not control, is what a society like the US should be based on.

Hey, so the 15 million thing isn’t true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn’t really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).

I can’t believe there’s even a risk of people voting in someone as morally repugnant as Trump.

“I was beaten as a child, and I turned out fine.” ~ Person who is not fine.

I engaged with you in good faith, and you were merely a troll. Got it.

I find it fascinating that the one of the most consistent groups that I hear about playing hardball with Trump is a conservative group - The Lincoln Project. Like, do we not have any sort of “we play dirty” liberal groups that dig up shit like this to show Trump’s hypocrisy? The Lincoln Project is buying billboards, they are all over the news week after week? We need a liberal party with that same sort of girthy, 12" dick swinging energy.

Marxist Leninist Socialists primarily, if you read my comment. I’m a Social Democrat, and I’ve received enough disrespect from ML Socialists, that I’m done trying to interact with them entirely. I get that your trying to minimize my argument, by acting like I’m attacking socialism entirely and act like I’m some sort of government plant…hence, again, why I’m stating quite plainly that I’m a Social Democrat.

The otherside of the coin is that I want to reform our system by trying to fix the problems of capitalism, and they want a revolution to completely dismantle it. I believe that the reality of implementing a socialist economy is completely unrealistic in a country as big as ours within the next 25-50 years, and that a revolution (which they are essentially advocating for) would introduce chaos and uncertainty into our country, and inherently the world. There’s no reality in which the movement gains widespread popular support in the short time frame that ML Socialists want. I firmly believe that the transition to a social democracy is a safer, more logical transition, and that as we adopt socialized programs, provide a better landscape for unions, and start reigning in inequality, we will naturally have more widespread support for a transition to a more socialist economy.

Metaphorically speaking, I want to slowly fix the problems that have cropped up around my house and upgrade things over time…they want to burn it down and build something that they believe is better. And they don’t like me because of that, that I’m essentially impeding their progress.

Still “irony” at it’s finest?

My experience with ML Socialists has been nothing but hostile. Anytime I’ve had questions or tried to have a discussion with a socialist about socialism, the response has been nothing but pure acid from them. Change is slow, and we’re slowly becoming more liberal as a people. They view socialized democracy as cowtowing to imperialism, and they seem to advocate for violent revolution to enact they’re goals. I literally can’t support that.

I would love for the US to become more socialized, for the workers to be more empowered, for people to live with better healthcare, less stress, and better safety nets…but as a social democrat, I’m the fucking enemy to them. As they described me, I’m imperialist scum.

I considered myself pretty far left…but those people? They fucking scare me…

… But if it’s more convenient for you to believe that I’m a paid government shill, then so be it.