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    8 months ago

    Gonna watch the vid while doing my chores but I really don’t understand this take about idiocracy and eugenetics I’ve already encountered in the past. Idiocracy it’s not a movie about eugenetics, it has more to do with overthinking your life choices and avoiding the responsibilities of being a parent due to a lack of confidence in oneself while other people less prone to thinking in general go on with their lives leaving offsprings around without a care in the world.

    The movies never state these people lacking the ability to think about the future should be barred from breeding, if anything its message is for the other side of society and it states “quit being worried about the future all the time and start following your instincts a bit more”. In medium stat virtus as the old saying goes.

    Anyway I’ll be back with a more in depth commentary about the video once done with it. See ya





  • If I may spend my two cents in this discussion I’d like to also propose Mr. Hicks as one of the true thinkers and philosopher of the last century. He had a lot in common with George from a social analysis standpoint and he also saw us humans as bi-faced entities capable of producing both the nastiest and the most beautiful acts while recognising that usually the lowest and most destructive instincts were the one guiding our choices.

    As George did for you he also helped me forming my vision of the world and its current state of affairs while also making me laugh manically.

    A huge thanks to both these men for helping some of us finding a way to navigate through this sensless journey, you’ll not be forgotten


  • Well, the statue will be more than material when he will be judged by the law.

    The most funny thing is that you believe the infernal potentates are all aligned and following a ruler. By definition the hellish powers are independent and individual in their scopes and objectives, Satan fought God exactly because he didn’t recognize its ultimate authority over his own free will. Confusing Satan with Baphomet is like confusing Drumpf and Putin: they both are evil and terrible people supporting one another when their interests collide while also ready to jump at each other throat should the situation require so, but I would never accuse Drumpf of having moved war to Ukraine since it was Putin to do so.

    But I don’t see you as a reasonable person so I presume this distinction will fall flat at your feet. Oh well, nothing bad, the guy will still be judged for his actions and will suffer the consequences (hopefully) for his sensless violence. Keep seething in your ignorance good boy








  • First of all, gun laws have been more or less the same for the past 100 years in the U.S., so how can they be the cause of the recent rise in mass shootings? Simple answer: they’re not.

    But they are, would your laws be stricter the appearance of these mass shootings would drop significantly since they perpetrators would have to go through a much mor rigorous screening process before being allowed near a firearm. The copycats and emulators are able to repeat these crimes ALSO because they have easy access to firearms, don’t act like this wouldn’t be a root cause for the mass shooting problem

    Secondly, mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of gun violence; the fact that so many White liberals harp on mass shootings really just shows that they only really care about the gun violence that threatens to affect them and their kids. If they were serious about curbing gun violence, their focus wouldn’t be on mass shootings so much as smaller-scale gun crime

    Those who commit small-scale gun crime use the same laws in place for mass-shooters and everybody else to access firearms used in their crimes

    Third, many liberals are openly willing to kill a hobby that most gun owners enjoy without harming anyone, because they personally find said hobby unsightly and stupidly think they can stop gun violence in the U.S. by getting rid of gun stores—because that’s always put a stop to gun violence in other countries wherein it’s illegal to buy/sell guns (/s).

    The Australian experience after the mass shooting in Port Arthur at the end of the 90ies tell a different story and it shows that guns buyback/confiscation can and will reduce crime committed by guns

    I personally want to see many improvements to our gun laws in the U.S., such as more stringent background checks, laws against people with histories of serious psychiatric illness having access, laws against people with violent criminal histories having access, etc, but getting rid of all guns? No, total overkill, and such hardline, unreasonable stances are costing Democrats much-needed votes and ironically helping right-wing Nazis get closer to taking over the country. These views make no fucking sense when you scrutinize them and are clearly fueled by emotion rather than logic.

    Tell that to the republicans, who see any intervention on the existing gun laws as an attack to the second amendment. More background checks? No thanks. Red flag laws? No thanks. Limiting firearms possession to those convicted of violent crimes? No thanks.

    Who is the party operating according to feeling and who is the one operating according to common sense and logic? Let me give you a hint, it’s not the blue one who is using scare tactics to keep everything as it is



  • Once more if heritage didn’t naturally inherently change then there wouldn’t be anything to fight. Heritage changes.

    You’re still talking about culture while referring yourself to heritage, how thick can you be?

    And because if enough people change course in culture and society adopts that heritage will change. If heritage didn’t change then conservatives wouldn’t need to give a shit about culture or society changing because heritage would stay the same.

    That heritage will not change, it will disappear little by little while culture change around it. I notice that you didn’t reply to my comment about the southern American heritage, do you think it has changed from the '800 or is it still the same racist construct it was 200 years ago?

    I am better. I am considering the general case.

    Keep telling you that, you might start believing it

    My heritage says I ought to be going to church every sunday. I don’t. Still get along great with the family and everyone at church.

    You haven’t considered that the culture around you has slightly changed from the past I see. That’s because you don’t understand the difference between heritage and culture and this is also the reason why we are having this conversation, but you are too prideful to accept my definitions and challenging them while also refusing to give your own. Scared of being proven wrong?

    The definition that you came up with has elements that no other definition has and which are counter to the usage of the concept of heritage by the entire rest of the world. That is the major reason why your definition lacks merit.

    Please prove this point, don’t just put it there without evidence to corroborate it

    Your definition is like defining weather as only being when its raining and claiming that the weather never changes.

    My definition is like differentiating between weather and climate. They seem similar but if I state that “the weather hasn’t changed because yesterday was raining and today it’s raining too” is a correct statement. If, on the other hand, I’d say that “the climate hasn’t changed because yesterday was raining and today it’s raining too” I’d be wrong since climate is not related to a single couple of days but to a much larger time scale

    when you are too stubborn to back down after saying something embarrassingly wrong you will run into that.

    So we can assume that people talking about the same points over and over again without giving any merits to their beliefs are the cultured ones? I start to understand how you ended up being so lackluster in your debating skills

    Weather is only when its raining and weather never changes.

    You are confusing weather and climate like you confuse heritage and culture. A not very bright example from a not very bright mind, what else is there to say?

    I’ll return to this conversation whenever you will feel like providing me with your definitions, until then I’m talking to a wall which cannot see its being made of bricks as the worst possible argument for a debate.

    Have a good one in the meantime 👋🏼👋🏼


  • Oopsie you just admitted that heritage changes.

    Once more, culture changes, heritage does not exactly because people FIGHT against the natural order of “everything flows” to keep their heritage the same as it always has been

    When ol’ Leo painted the Mona Lisa and it became part of italian heritage it didn’t destroy the otherwise identical heritage that previously existed just minus that painting. Things are added to heritage and things fade from heritage.

    You are still confusing heritage with culture: Mona Lisa is art and it fits in my definition of culture. Still no valid example of heritage changing over time, just another example of you failing to understand my definitions

    They wouldn’t have to put effort into it if heritage couldn’t change like you claim. That they put effort into it should be a huge hint to you how flawed your made up definition and terrible understanding of heritage is.

    Conservatives are out to stop the changes in culture and society (culture war much?), they are using heritage as an excuse to explain why culture and society shouldn’t change

    If they are not cast out of their group then their relationship hasn’t ended. You are yet again ignoring all other cases that show your definition is wrong with that if.

    You accuse me of using conditionals in my replies but you are no better. I have countless examples of people casted out of their social circles for having messed with their heritages, do you have one single example of people messing with their group heritages without suffering any backlash? If yes please provide them

    No I’m pointing out that you are narrowing your examples and trying to ignore that your examples are a subset of all cases and if you consider all cases then your definition falls apart. The weather never changes for example last saturday it was raining.

    An example is a single case by definition. Do you want a more general one? Then explain to me why all religions call those who want to change their heritages heretics and have them expelled from their rankings if not dead. If they are lucky they will go on to create a new heritage, separated from the original one(see Martin Luther), if they are not they are put at the stake and burned (see Giordano Bruno)

    It might be that you are not capable of considering this on large enough scales of time and population. That individual’s severance of their heritage will impact the collective heritage of their family, and to a small degree their society, going forward. If enough people make that change collectively the heritage of that society will change.

    That’s how culture wins on heritage, by cancelling it and substituting itself to it. Laws such as the civil rights act in America have helped minorities to find more rights for themselves but, even still today, the American heritage prevent many people from engaging with said minorities in a respectful way. Luckily we do have a set of laws nowadays which help us punishing these persons because culture has changed. In the meantime the southern American heritage is still as racist as it was in the '800

    It doesn’t matter what they did

    Oh no, it does. Expecially for those poor children and their families

    that doesn’t change that they were saying the same things you are saying.

    No they were not. They were out to change these children’s Inuit heritage with their Christian one. I am trying to eliminate heritage for everyone and to substitute it with culture

    You’re definition is made up.

    My definition is mine by definition (sic), I already told you that. Challenge me on the merit of my definitions: take them, analyse them and provide me with logical reasons why they are false.

    Until them stop repeating that my definitions are not the correct ones, I already gave them to you to prove you that heritage is considered as something passed down to old generations to the future ones. My caveat is that this something will not be changed by the receiving generation to keep it “as it always was” and to pass it to the next generation unchanged.

    While you’re at it maybe try providing definitions for heritage and culture yourself. I could show you what substantial criticism is in real time if you were so kind to assume yourself at my level and not at an higher one

    You don’t want to be like goebbels do you?

    No, and that’s why I’m using different examples throughout our discussion. This and also the fact that repeating myself over and over again makes me bored

    Heritage can change. Your protip was bullshit. Your definition is garbo. You are too proud to back down from the dumb things you said.

    Heritage can’t change. You aren’t able to provide any single fact or example to support your points. Your debate capabilities are garbo.


  • Arranging re-enactments and commemorations doesn’t mean that they have the stance that opposes the reality that heritage changes

    Maybe not but it does prove that people who believe in heritage will go out of their way to keep it alive and unchanged as much as possible.

    Because if heritage can’t change then there is nothing to preserve. It will always be there. If heritage can’t change then who is their opposition?

    Progressives, who usually try to eliminate heritage by moving society to a new set of standards via legislation

    which means there are groups without strong connections. So try entering that group. Is heritage immutable there?

    It is but for a smaller proportion of the group. We see this among “white people” where a huge chunk of this crowd is moving towards culture while leaving its heritage behind. This has caused a huge stir in its most conservative representatives who are now fighting against this trend with all their forces (the so called war on the “woke agenda”). If heritage is naturally inclined to evolve can you explain all the efforts put up by conservative voices to avoid this natural process?

    One counter example of heritage changing means that you are wrong. And I’ve repeatedly shown that your examples are not universal

    Yet you fail to provide me with this example which would destroy my view while also taking a W because you showed me that the specific examples I used are not universal

    Also even your example doesn’t make sense because regardless of the reaction of the extended family the married couple’s family unit’s heritage has changed and if they have children those children will have a blend of the two heritages.

    That’s not how heritage works: if these two people are casted out of their group they have ended their relationship with their heritages. They will have created a new heritage, related to just their family, but the old ones will remain unchanged in their original groups. So there’s no evolution in the original heritage as you can see

    Yes, yes I am criticizing the substance of your definition.

    No you are not

    I am repeatedly telling you that your definition is wrong because you are repeatedly insisting that it is right.

    That’s what you are doing by simply discarding my examples of application in real life of my definition. That’s not a substantial criticism but a straw man attack

    See this is an example of what I’m talking about. Provide an example of something changing but oh yeah let me add the condition that in the example the thing is unscathed.

    It’s called a paradox and it’s my way to show you that your reasoning has no logic ground

    Just by existing you have a heritage. If you disregard all elements of that heritage, well that would mean that heritage can change which is a contradiction yet again, and replace it with “culture” then that becomes heritage.

    If I disregard aspects of my heritage it doesn’t mean that my heritage has changed, it means that I, personally and alone, have moved away from my heritage to a more logical place. My heritage will remain unchanged and brought forward by those being part of my group, tribe or family who accept it’s tenants

    And like I was pointing out that’s the exact same thing that the people running those boarding schools were saying.

    Nope, beside trying to impose their heritage they were forcing themselves on defenceless children while taking advantage of their positions of power. May I add that these revolting facts were carried out by participants to another heritage, the catholic one in this specific case?

    I might eventually give you my definition after being as round about as you were. Guess we’ll see.

    Oh thank you for you kind consideration my master

    Heritage can change. You’ve proven it yourself. Your protip was bullshit. Your definition is garbo.

    Repeating the same phrase over and over again won’t turn it’s contents into reality, despite all that Goebbels said about that