SeeingRed [he/him]

I’m definitely curious about the self cleaning property, and how easily it is to produce (is the process sustainable, toxic, expensive reagents, etc.) That was the biggest issue with a lot of the previous radiative cooling surfaces. If I have time I’ll try to read into it more.

There was a neat video on how to make your own from readily available material, but not from cellulose, but it had issues with being clean and application onto surfaces. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRnEm-B3AI&t=1s

Im curious how each agent differs, or is trained. Seems they had doctor and nurse agents, as well as patient agents. This would be a good way to start partial implementation. It would allow some tasks to be taken over by the in a hybrid format which could allow an even richer training environment.

I could never see the west doing this in a way that would actually improve the quality of service.

One of the issues with LLM AIs that we’ve seen time and again is that it can be extremely confident and perfectly incorrect. I have no doubt they are doing their best to train the AI with the best data, but I hope they are also working to solve some of the underlying issues with LLMs.

It is definitely heavier on the tower defense side. I also usually turn biters off in Factorio, but I found that Mindustry to be well balanced between the logistics and tower defense aspects. You have to build up both constantly, unlike Factorio where you just over build defense and then wait for that to fail before thinking about it again. In Factorio, defense is a nuisance mostly, but Mindustry it’s integral to the gameplay loop. Not sure if that answers it for you. I don’t think I’d recommend it unless you wanted that aspect of the game.

Mostly I play factory management style games. Top 3 being Factorio, Dyson Sphere Program, and Mindustry. Though they’ve been more mental effort than Ive been able to muster recently.

Then I am also playing Last Epoch as a co-op game because it’s been a way to connect with an old friend from school (since we live in different cities it’s hard to connect in person).

So nothing too exciting or new.

From what I’ve seen, the electric cost is actually only a small component, the building, specialized hardware, maintenance and labour make up the majority of the bill for most vertical farming operations.

Further, it’s a matter of how much energy density you need within a given volume compared to the available roof surface. Most plants don’t need full sun, but you might only be able to supply 2-4 times the roof area as internal grow area (when accounting for efficiency losses and the needs of the plants). You would need to provide the majority of the grow area with LED lights anyway. So it might not be worth the resources/labour costs. Though it might be a good supplemental supply of photons.

The only real use case I can see for vertical farming is providing fresh produce nearer to urban centres, or if there is an acute shortage of land, otherwise passive greenhouses (with supplemental lighting and heating if needed) are generally a better use of resources. Specialized produce is another use case, but it seems that we need a lot more research to make it a viable option at scale.

A question of where the energy comes from is also important, solar panels in a desert/on roof tops is good, but if they replace a farm field it’s pointless. Wind, nuclear, hydro are good options.

I’m definitely curious to see how the field grows within the context of China and socialism more broadly. Many of the constraints in current implementations are only important when the only consideration is profit.

Edit: read the article, they have some really interesting use cases in their facility beyond what I could imagine.

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