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  • Looks like my answer wasn’t saved, great…

    Anyway, sorry for not reading all of that, but I’ll make it short and stop discussing because I feel like this is leading nowhere.

    Unless you’re using hyperlocal and cover all TLDs and wanna browse the internet there’s technically no way around but to use an online DNS server. So coming back to the privacy aspect of this topic the question is: Which one do you trust?


  • tl;dr: Cut out Cloudfare’s recursive resolver (or anyone else’s) and run your own via PiHole and Unbound.

    Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article. Let me point out the relevant part for you:
    “A recursive resolver (also known as a DNS recursor) is the first stop in a DNS query. The recursive resolver acts as a middleman between a client and a DNS nameserver. After receiving a DNS query from a web client, a recursive resolver will either respond with cached data, or send a request to a root nameserver, […]”

    See that last part with “or send a request to a root nameserver”? That is the DNS server on the internet your Unbound DNS server will ask if it doesn’t have the answer cached for you already.

    Umm, Unbound is on your machine. So you’re saying you are your own middle man lol…

    Exactly! Since the Unbound DNS server is your server you created your middle man server yourself. “middle man” has a very negative taste but in this case it really isn’t bad at all.

    It asks the authoritative nameservers, which is who external DNS servers ask. By using Unbound, you are cutting out those external DNS servers, because you/Unbound is the DNS server. You are asking the authoritative name server directly instead of inserting someone else to ask on your behalf.

    Okay, so you get it but you don’t get it fully. Again: Your Unbound DNS server can’t magically know which IPs are behind a domain name. So what does it do? It asks a DNS server on the internet because they know the answer. When you Unbound DNS server got the answer it then tells your computer.

    Unbound (your machine) is asking the DNS nameserver.

    YES! And where do you think is the DNS server Unbound asks if it doesn’t know the answer because it’s not cached yet? It’s some server on the internet.

    You’re saying you are your own middleman lol.

    I said you create your own middle man. Unbound is your middle man in this case because you make it look up the IPs behind the domains and it tells your computer these IPs then.

    Instead of:
    \ –> asks –> \ –> answers –> \ You do:
    \ –> asks –> \ –> asks –> \ –> answers –> \ –> answers –> \ Let me say it again: Your Unbound DNS server being the middle man isn’t a bad thing so please don’t think “middle man” is always a negative term.

    I’m saying cut out Cloudfare’s recursive resolver and run your own via PiHole and Unbound.

    I just linked Cloudflare’s article about it because they explain it well. Doesn’t mean one must use Cloudflare’s DNS servers.

    Did you read the article I linked?

    Yes, I did. But I knew what a recursive resolver is before I checked the link because I’m a professional IT administrator and I know how DNS works. It’s part of my job.








  • As long as it works fine for you I’m glad. :)
    If you’re interested here are my three bad experiences with AGH:

    • The “use AdGuard browsing security web service” option made all DNS queries so slow after a week to the point where nothing was resolved anymore. (That was 2 years ago, maybe fixed now)
    • They removed some library with an update which caused a panic when booting AGH so it wouldn’t start anymore. That library was needed to use the DoH encryption of one of my upstream DNS servers. I had to remove that one from my config.
    • The next update didn’t fix this issue but added another one: A few hours of running this version ( I don’t remember the version number) the AGH service suddenly crashed. I started it again but 5 minutes later it would crash again. That was the point where I stopped using AGH because it didn’t feel reliable anymore and updates only made it worse.


  • and I was talking about Pi-Hole

    Well, you said “you” so I thought you were talking about me since you replied to my comment.

    Firefox and Telegram for example has built-in DNS if I’m not wrong. (you can disable it easily)

    Right. I don’t know about Telegram but in Firefoxes case I think it’s disabled by default. I specifically checked that on my Firefox so it won’t bypass my OPNsense.

    We are sharing our use cases. And my context was “I don’t understand why people even talks about Pi-Hole”

    You don’t see it, do you? First you talk about your use case but then you talk about other people. So not your use case anymore. In their use case a Pi-hole, AdGuard Home, NextDNS or whatever else maybe makes sense and isn’t a bad choice.

    EDIT: Also, I think using your phone for other things is wrong, they aren’t really designed for that, they aren’t that secure as a PC can be.

    Erm… what?? Smartphones are designed for many different things. Browsing the internet is just one of many things it’s made for. It’s called “smartphone” for a reason.




  • … any app can bypass easily your DHCP DNS provided…

    In my network it can only do that if the app has a hardcoded encrypted DNS server because I use NAT rules to force all unencrypted DNS to be processed by my OPNsense (which uses NextDNS as upstream DNS servers). And I highly doubt many apps even have a hardcoded DNS server anyway (no matter if unencrypted or encrypted).

    and as I said, I don’t install any weird app on my phone, I just use it as a phone, to communicate, chat and to download podcasts to listen on night.

    That’s your personal use case but not everyone elses. I do much more with my phone. For example browsing. And I think most people do it too. Anyway, as long as you use mobile internet even your OS on your phone could spy on you with tracker domains. Most people don’t use a custom ROM so you’re just one of few people who this doesn’t apply to.

    While you just win at your local home network… xD

    Wrong. I use NextDNS so I have it everywhere. ;)


  • Vexz@kbin.socialtoPrivacy@lemmy.mlPi-Hole vs AdGuard vs NextDNS
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    11 months ago

    I use Pi-Hole and works great. I’ve heard about AdGuard and seems the same thing as PiHole

    Only if you’re talking about AdGuard Home, then yes. When you talk about AdGuard you usually just mean the adblocker app which is something completely different.

    I used all three of them. While AdGuard Home has some nice features that Pi-hole doesn’t, it in my experience has much more problems and has been unstable on some updates. So since you prefer stability for your DNS server I’d recommend Pi-hole over AdGuard Home.
    NextDNS doesn’t need to be self-hosted because it’s a service on the internet. The disadvantage is that you are offered a list of blocklists from which you can choose but unlike Pi-hole or AdGuard Home you cannot add more lists. But they offer many lists so that’s not a big problem. If you need more than 300k queries a month you need to pay for their service. But since NextDNS is a service on the internet it means that you can use it on all of your devices no matter where you are.