By doing what exactly? Snap’s server being proprietary doesn’t affect anyone at all, what else?

That’s not what I said. I didn’t claim that Ubuntu invented the idea of a software store. I just said that they add a lot of value to Debian. So Ubuntu’s existence is perfectly justified. And replicating their setup takes time. Especially how their gnome is set up. i have a script that turns vanilla Gnome on any distro into one that looks like Ubuntu’s, so I know.

Is Linux Mint useless as well? It just preconfigures Debian/Ubuntu to be more user friendly. Anyone can do that on their own.

I think you’re far too gone if you genuinely believe there’s no need for Ubuntu.

Ubuntu has its own kernel, they have a security team making patches specifically for Ubuntu, there’s a tool that detects any drivers your device needs and downloads them for you, and their GNOME implementation is the best I’ve seen. I also like the new software centre in 24.04, displaying both apt and snap packages when you search for them, really fast.

And yes I know, you will tell me that you can replicate all of this on Debian. And you can replicate basically everything Debian can do on RHEL. So there’s no need for Debian. Ans there’s no need for RHEL since…

If there really was no point in using Ubuntu, people wouldn’t use it. And yes this applies to Windows as well. Users aren’t braindead idiots. If there is a much better alternative that suits their needs they will use that instead.

Edit: Also free 10 year support for non-commercial use.

It’s sad because it’s a genuinely good distro. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without it yet all I hear is people parroting the same misinformation they heard.

False (except for less packages, that’s true), false, the amazon incident was a honest mistake and only applied to the search bar in unity (even more specifically the amazon lense), and no data is being collected unless you enable it during the install. https://youtu.be/rdPt8WB1lZw

Also are you serious? A rolling release distro with automated package builds being more secure? Last time I checked Tumbleweed got affected by the XZ exploit.

I don’t get why anyone uses, my body makes my own chemicals.

I like Snaps. They can do more than Flatpak and when packaged well they just work. Sadly some apps on Snapcraft are abandoned or they just don’t work, but the same can be said about Flathub.

Which bridge did they build with snaps?

Proprietary companies are compelled to release on Snapcraft because it gives them advantages over other packaging methods. I’m just a user but I heard Snaps are easy to work with thanks to the documentation.

In addition to all of that, Canonical also installs applications as snap when using the apt\£* command line tools.

Firefox for example isn’t even in their apt repos. So instead of throwing an error, the Firefox meta package installs the snap, and tells you it’s doing that.

But I understand that Ubuntu isn’t for you if you want to avoid snaps.

I think it’s just elitism. The worst example is Chris Titus making a video where he explains why you shouldn’t use Ubuntu. And then proceeds to make video explaining how it’s not actually that bad and he uses it with a different DE.

But now 300K people saw that Ubuntu bad for stupid reasons, from a “reputable” source.

Could have been installed as a dependency of something. https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/remove-snap-block-ubuntu-2204/ You can also make sure apt won’t install it again

The money comes from corporate customers, that’s the sad truth. If you go to RedHat’s website, their Worsktation option is hidden in menus as well. Fedora doesn’t seem to be mentioned at all.

I politely disagree. Finding the Core ISO is harder than the Server/Desktop ones. https://ubuntu.com/download/core

There’s a Build Your Core button. And that takes you to a docs page that lets you download a pre-built image. I think it’s pretty obvious that this is not the Desktop Ubuntu.

Lmao.

This makes a lot of sense

In case anyone wants it, here’s the cover file.

I would suggest not judging distros by what the online community says.

Install Ubuntu and see whether you encounter any issues. If not, who cares about what some meme says.

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Pretty much. Canonical made a few questionable choices in the past but overall they’ve done a lot for the Linux community. And their distro is very good. There is a reason why distros choose it as their base.

I dare say that allowing any distro to use their repos is pretty generous, and gives back to the community. They have no obligation to open source Snapcraft’s server, and snapd being able to install snaps locally is more than enough.

https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/download-snaps-and-install-offline/15713

I don’t see how this matters.

Let’s look at the very worst case possible scenario: Everyone abandons Flatpak and AppImage and moves to Snapcraft, and Canonical decides to make a decision that destroys the store.

You can still install FOSS apps from somewhere, at worst compile them.

All that would be lost if Snapcradt stopped existing are the proprietary apps, which you wouldn’t use anyways.

Not gonna lie, that’s concerning.