The countries with single digit numbers (total) where pretty small and had no notable industry to keep running, you should measure on Europe and per 1000 or 100000 people.
And everyone fucked up, it was the first real global pandemic with this intensity. As said, Trump made it worse with his BS but it wasn’t Trump alone, and a big portion was out of his jurisdiction as well. I hate the guy but you don’t need to treat him as evil incarnate, this just makes it worse.
Tell all that to my family member. Once he’s out of the hospital and not in danger of the exact procedures Trump pushed hard for giving him some kind of currently-life-threatening infection, we can rap about jurisdiction and industrial numbers.
Sure, it’s hard to be precise about the outcomes what some theoretical more competent administration might have done differently. But yes, Trump’s measures killed some number of people, and gave some number more disability that lasts to the present day. Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Like I say, once my family isn’t actively directly being endangered by the lasting after effects of his malicious policies, we can have a calm debate about it.
I don’t need to argue on a emotional level, there have been many covid deaths everywhere and many people with long covid. And again, i said Trump made it worse, this doesn’t mean its Trumps fault, it was also the people around him and like half of the US population that did not listen. Trump is a asshole and a idiot, but politics don’t work alone, the senate also fucked up, the local governments fucked up, the people that protested to reopen the hairdressers and shit like that fucked up, the companys that shifted their entire production to China did… There where and are so many fuck ups its impossible to measure a single part of it. Oh and guess what! It will happen again.
It is not an emotional argument to point out that the MAGA bullshit of people wearing masks or getting vaccines making them the enemy is purely a Trump-world invention, with aftereffects continuing to and beyond the present day. Same goes for that stuff being of a totally different and explicitly malicious kind than the simple errors that some government body might commit that was trying to address the crisis, instead of using it simply as another way to pursue its overt policy of going to war with all sensible people everywhere, in any way they could find.
And it happens that I have an example directly and personally relevant to me, but there are plenty of families all across the country who have the same. Quite a lot of them have lost family members. I know some of those families with dead members. It’s not just an anecdote.
I think I’ve spent as long as I need to on this. If you want to say that Trump didn’t kill a fuck of a lot of people, as a direct result of prioritizing his culture-war bullshit over literally saving lives (or that that killing of people more or less on purpose is not a problem), I don’t know what to say to you.
I’m gonna channel all the anger I just felt in a productive direction
Trump did not “fuck up”. He succeeded at what he was trying to do, which goal was horrifying. “This doesn’t mean it’s Trump’s fault” is a load of horseshit, because a large part of the catastrophe was very much his fault. I feel like I’ve spent enough time breaking down why and how. If you want to pretend something else happened in the conversation, so you can keep a disagreement going with me for literally no reason at all, I have no plans to engage with it further.
Productive effort in a productive direction is incoming.
Western Australia has like 50 people living there, the majority lives in Eastern Australia
Also the way it was handled in Australia would have caused a civil war in USA, and was probably not exactly according to human rights standards. I don’t say you did a bad job, i say you had other problems and conditions.
Wouldn’t it have been easier to just Google “population Western Australia” (2.667 Million in 2020) than to dig up a misleading map that tells an incomplete picture? It’s true we are not the most populous state by any means, but you don’t need to be insulting with that level of hyperbole.
No matter how you spin it, our pre-Omicron Covid response was nothing short of incredible. While the world suffered, we pretty much nope’d out of the whole thing. I would not be surprised if WA becomes a pandemic response case study in future.
I do agree that the USA probably couldn’t pull together enough to put something like that I to action. The USA is anything but united until someone literally invades. It’s just a pity they didn’t look at the pandemic in a similar light to a foreign invader.
Its not insulting to say that the population density is waaaaaay different then USA or Europe, wich i was saying to be able to compare, Australia has also another climate wich impacts the spread of diseases.
And as said each country did something and response to such events has to be individual there is mostly no better or worse way… Except for China that literally fucked themselves over super hard… USA didn’t do good but not spectacularly bad compared to others.
The issue with a statement like “the population density is waaaaaay different then USA or Europe”, is it shows how unfamiliar you are with the state. Yes, if you average the population over the area of the state, you’ll get an absurdly low number.
But that would only make any sort of point if we are spread all over the state evenly. We are not. 2 Million of us live in Perth, which alone covers about 75% of WA’s population. And within Perth, our population density is on a par with just about any other mid-sized city. Beyond Perth, about 20% of the remaining 25% are going to be in a collection of half a dozen regional towns. Again, those towns would feel fairly familiar to someone from a small town in lots of places.
The bulk of that area is nothing. Desert and rocks and the very occasional hole in the ground (mining site).
In the regions we live, we aren’t that different from other places. What made us different through the pandemic is the policy of closing the border to outsiders. Most places didn’t do that. As a result, we mostly lived through 2020 and 2021 without having to worry about Covid 19. A few times, a case got past quarantine, and we had a mini lockdown for a week or so until it was contained. Then, back to normal.
The countries with single digit numbers (total) where pretty small and had no notable industry to keep running, you should measure on Europe and per 1000 or 100000 people.
And everyone fucked up, it was the first real global pandemic with this intensity. As said, Trump made it worse with his BS but it wasn’t Trump alone, and a big portion was out of his jurisdiction as well. I hate the guy but you don’t need to treat him as evil incarnate, this just makes it worse.
Tell all that to my family member. Once he’s out of the hospital and not in danger of the exact procedures Trump pushed hard for giving him some kind of currently-life-threatening infection, we can rap about jurisdiction and industrial numbers.
Sure, it’s hard to be precise about the outcomes what some theoretical more competent administration might have done differently. But yes, Trump’s measures killed some number of people, and gave some number more disability that lasts to the present day. Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Like I say, once my family isn’t actively directly being endangered by the lasting after effects of his malicious policies, we can have a calm debate about it.
I don’t need to argue on a emotional level, there have been many covid deaths everywhere and many people with long covid. And again, i said Trump made it worse, this doesn’t mean its Trumps fault, it was also the people around him and like half of the US population that did not listen. Trump is a asshole and a idiot, but politics don’t work alone, the senate also fucked up, the local governments fucked up, the people that protested to reopen the hairdressers and shit like that fucked up, the companys that shifted their entire production to China did… There where and are so many fuck ups its impossible to measure a single part of it. Oh and guess what! It will happen again.
It is not an emotional argument to point out that the MAGA bullshit of people wearing masks or getting vaccines making them the enemy is purely a Trump-world invention, with aftereffects continuing to and beyond the present day. Same goes for that stuff being of a totally different and explicitly malicious kind than the simple errors that some government body might commit that was trying to address the crisis, instead of using it simply as another way to pursue its overt policy of going to war with all sensible people everywhere, in any way they could find.
And it happens that I have an example directly and personally relevant to me, but there are plenty of families all across the country who have the same. Quite a lot of them have lost family members. I know some of those families with dead members. It’s not just an anecdote.
I think I’ve spent as long as I need to on this. If you want to say that Trump didn’t kill a fuck of a lot of people, as a direct result of prioritizing his culture-war bullshit over literally saving lives (or that that killing of people more or less on purpose is not a problem), I don’t know what to say to you.
They never said that, they explicitly stated that trump made it worse, just that he wasn’t the only cause of it.
I seem to remember trump pushing vaccines, if for no other reason than that he could say he helped with their development
Okay
I’m gonna channel all the anger I just felt in a productive direction
Trump did not “fuck up”. He succeeded at what he was trying to do, which goal was horrifying. “This doesn’t mean it’s Trump’s fault” is a load of horseshit, because a large part of the catastrophe was very much his fault. I feel like I’ve spent enough time breaking down why and how. If you want to pretend something else happened in the conversation, so you can keep a disagreement going with me for literally no reason at all, I have no plans to engage with it further.
Productive effort in a productive direction is incoming.
I’ll wait to see your productive effort in a productive direction then
I’ll let you know
Western Australia had Nine Covid deaths prior to 95% population vaccination. Yes, just Nine.
Then we opened our borders and let Omicron in.
Western Australia has like 50 people living there, the majority lives in Eastern Australia
Also the way it was handled in Australia would have caused a civil war in USA, and was probably not exactly according to human rights standards. I don’t say you did a bad job, i say you had other problems and conditions.
Wouldn’t it have been easier to just Google “population Western Australia” (2.667 Million in 2020) than to dig up a misleading map that tells an incomplete picture? It’s true we are not the most populous state by any means, but you don’t need to be insulting with that level of hyperbole.
No matter how you spin it, our pre-Omicron Covid response was nothing short of incredible. While the world suffered, we pretty much nope’d out of the whole thing. I would not be surprised if WA becomes a pandemic response case study in future.
I do agree that the USA probably couldn’t pull together enough to put something like that I to action. The USA is anything but united until someone literally invades. It’s just a pity they didn’t look at the pandemic in a similar light to a foreign invader.
Its not insulting to say that the population density is waaaaaay different then USA or Europe, wich i was saying to be able to compare, Australia has also another climate wich impacts the spread of diseases.
And as said each country did something and response to such events has to be individual there is mostly no better or worse way… Except for China that literally fucked themselves over super hard… USA didn’t do good but not spectacularly bad compared to others.
The issue with a statement like “the population density is waaaaaay different then USA or Europe”, is it shows how unfamiliar you are with the state. Yes, if you average the population over the area of the state, you’ll get an absurdly low number.
But that would only make any sort of point if we are spread all over the state evenly. We are not. 2 Million of us live in Perth, which alone covers about 75% of WA’s population. And within Perth, our population density is on a par with just about any other mid-sized city. Beyond Perth, about 20% of the remaining 25% are going to be in a collection of half a dozen regional towns. Again, those towns would feel fairly familiar to someone from a small town in lots of places.
The bulk of that area is nothing. Desert and rocks and the very occasional hole in the ground (mining site).
In the regions we live, we aren’t that different from other places. What made us different through the pandemic is the policy of closing the border to outsiders. Most places didn’t do that. As a result, we mostly lived through 2020 and 2021 without having to worry about Covid 19. A few times, a case got past quarantine, and we had a mini lockdown for a week or so until it was contained. Then, back to normal.