Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

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    Oh look you’ve brought genitals into it here too, even though you can’t connect it to anything I’ve said this time, even with your eagerness to make wild stretches based on seeing the words “women” and “suicide” within 3 inches of one another.

    As for the rest of your post, once again, I’m not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention, the pro-gun people are.

    To put it bluntly, you sounds like someone that’s struggling to combine “standing in solidarity with your fellow far-right reactionaries in the pro-gun community” with “doing your duty as a MRA by talking about suicide statistics like they’re women’s fault”.

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      Oh look you’ve brought genitals into it here too,

      Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is:

      “Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says”

      among elderly men

      men

      I’m not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention

      The only “evidence” you have provided is baseless claims. The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.

      spoiler

      and is eclipsed by hangings.

      To put it bluntly you seem like a bot rambling on without understanding the title of a post let alone content.

      like they’re women’s fault

      Good luck with that.

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        Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is

        The gendering in the title has nothing to do with anything I said in any of my posts. I was discussing prevention strategies that apply to people regardless of gender, and your response was “but what about men?”.

        The article title also mentions “elderly”, but you havent been nearly upset by people failing to laser focus on that adjective.

        The only “evidence” you have provided is baseless claims.

        You can easily search for “suicide means reduction study” and find a mountain of evidence without me spoonfeeding each result to you.

        The fact that you’re insisting that means reduction doesn’t work either means you never have, or you think that guns are a magical exception to that.

        The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.

        The facts you’ve provided are intentionally misleading but sure, since we’re talking about Australia, here is what one of their leading suicide prevention groups thinks about means reduction, complete with the studies they’ve based it on.

        And what’s that at number 4? A study that doesn’t say “banning guns (something Australia didn’t actually do) made no difference”, it says that it’s not possible to determine if the reduction in suicides by firearms was because of the new restrictions on gun ownership, or part of a general trend downward.

        Of course, you would have found that instantly had you have actually searched, but we both know your goal wasn’t to keep the discussion factually accurate, it was to sea-lion as much as you could to make it a grind to respond to you.

        eclipsed by hangings

        You have an idiots idea of of what means reduction means. We’ve repeatedly shown that reducing access to popular, accessible “jump points” results in fewer suicides by any method.

        It doesn’t completely stop that method, nor did anybody suggest banning any structure more then 12ft high.

        The increased firearm restrictions didn’t have a detectable impact on the suicide rate on Australia because guns were not a common method of suicide in Australia to begin with.

        What happened when means reduction wed implemented for more common methods like jumping? Oh look, the suicide rate went down, just like every study always says.

        Do you went to argue that suicide by firearm isn’t a significant of percentage of suicides in America? You might as well, since it would be just as self-serving and factually inaccurate as everything else you’ve argued.

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          The gendering in the title has nothing to do with anything

          Ill give you a hint, its in the title of OP’s post.

          you havent been nearly upset by people failing to laser focus on that adjective

          no denying, suicide rate in the elderly is highest.

          find a mountain of evidence without me spoonfeeding each result to you.

          just google it

          The fact that you’re insisting that means reduction doesn’t work

          spoiler

          Taking away access to guns doesn’t no. My point is supported by the fact that taking away guns from the population of Australia resulted in NO reduction in suicide. None comparing the 20 years before to the 20 years after. You can’t twist that. Its a matter of fact it increased overall and dominant means changed.

          What happened when means reduction wed implemented for more common methods like jumping?

          Nice straw-man.

          factually inaccurate as everything else you’ve argued.

          Yet I am the only one who has shown clear evidence to support it while your baseless opinion and generations continues to entertain.

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            Do the plot twists never end? You finally get the evidence you demanded and it’s immediately disregarded without comment because it doesn’t say what you want.

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              Still waiting for that magical evidence on gun control results in suicide reduction.

              Up next generalisations the new scientific method.