Democrats and the White House have agreed in principle to raise the threshold for asylum claims as part of the bill to fund wars in Israel and Ukraine, but liberals are livid — and Republicans want more.
Yes, and under the previous program the US merely sold weapons like any other dealer. This new program provides grant assistance i.e. direct transfer of arms for free. That’s clearly different!
I just literally said that arms sales are different from direct military transfer! How is that moving goalposts? Taiwan bought weapons before and, if I understand the grant program correctly, it’s now getting them either greatly discounted or free. That’s an escalation!
If I buy a gun, the store is not directly transferring the gun to me. It’s a transaction.
If I am granted a gun grant by the store and then get a gun for free or greatly discounted through a guaranteed low/zero interest loan, that’s not really a transaction. That’s a transfer.
If I buy a gun, the store is not directly transferring the gun to me. It’s a transaction.
No, that is literally and legally a transfer and a transaction.
Jesus Christ.
Why do people with no understanding of language attempt to play semantic games?
Why do you deny that this is an escalation?
An escalation of Taiwan’s ability to defend itself against imperialism? You yourself admit that there’s no chance of Taiwan invading China. So why is Taiwan being able to defend itself so worrying? If China’s only interest is in peaceful reunification, Taiwan’s military might is irrelevant. If China is willing to go to war to annex Taiwan against the wishes of it’s people, that’s imperialism, and makes you a bootlicker.
So why is this an escalation? Is that you support imperialism (obvious answer), or that you haven’t fully thought through your own argument?
Oh, and for anyone following, in the past 30 years we’ve sold almost 100 billion dollars worth of military equipment to Taiwan, and are currently considering an aid package of 6 billion dollars over the next ten years. Much escalation. Very wow.
Why do people with no understanding of language attempt to play semantic games?
You’re the one playing semantic games! Fuck, my point was that this new transfer is different and you jumped up my ass trying to pretend like zero escalation has happened and this is nothing new. This is clearly new! This is clearly a step above what we were doing before, and Democrats are selling out refugees to keep doing it (or did you forget what this thread is about?)
What the fuck ever. Technically transfer always happened. You were right.
But surely you realize that subsidized transaction is different from pure financial transaction!
An escalation of Taiwan’s ability to defend itself against imperialism? You yourself admit that there’s no chance of Taiwan invading China.
Taiwan doesn’t have to invade for these weapons to be used against China, you realize this right? All it takes is one boat being sunk because China is trying to control trade routes into Taiwan.
You’re the one playing semantic games! Fuck, my point was that this new transfer is different
No, your point was the incorrect assumption based on headline reading and tankie telephone games that the US hadn’t supplied Taiwan with weaponry before, which is patently false.
and you jumped up my ass trying to pretend like zero escalation has happened and this is nothing new. This is clearly new! This is clearly a step above what we were doing before, and Democrats are selling out refugees to keep doing it (or did you forget what this thread is about?)
I still can’t tell if you’re just fucking stupid or disingenuous, or both. The bill in question, the bill in the article, the entire conversation around it, has nothing to do with Taiwan; Taiwan is something unrelated you brought up to wank over how evil and WARMONGERING the Democrats are for not sucking a dictator’s toes like you do and how it’s a “powder keg” that obviously slightly more military equipment over the next 10 years will cause to BLOW UP and FORCE the POOR OPPRESSED PRC to LIBERATE Taiwan the same way Russia is fucking liberating the Donbass right now.
But surely you realize that subsidized transaction is different from pure financial transaction!
In terms of ‘escalation’, not really. 6 billion free after selling almost 100 billion worth isn’t anything more than token support.
Taiwan doesn’t have to invade for these weapons to be used against China, you realize this right? All it takes is one boat being sunk because China is trying to control trade routes into Taiwan.
“Oh no, how terrible, Taiwan won’t let China use military force to control who gets in and out of Taiwan, it’s a good thing this is an Anti-Imperialist™ move by China!”
Did you not read your own fucking source.
The difference is that the current program being used is one normally reserved for assistance to sovereign nations.
Yes, and under the previous program the US merely sold weapons like any other dealer. This new program provides grant assistance i.e. direct transfer of arms for free. That’s clearly different!
You said:
But keep moving those goalposts, you’ll find one you like eventually. Probably. If the heat death of the universe doesn’t occur first.
I just literally said that arms sales are different from direct military transfer! How is that moving goalposts? Taiwan bought weapons before and, if I understand the grant program correctly, it’s now getting them either greatly discounted or free. That’s an escalation!
“This was literally the first time the US has ever directly transferred US military equipment to Taiwan.”
“It’s literally not, we have directly transferred arms for as long as Taiwan has been a thing, and your own fucking source notes that.”
“Okay, but it’s the first time you’ve ever directly transferred equipment for free!”
Yeah, definitely not a movement of the goalposts. I’m always at a loss as to whether tankies are dumb or just disingenuous cretins.
Transaction is different from transfer.
If I buy a gun, the store is not directly transferring the gun to me. It’s a transaction.
If I am granted a gun grant by the store and then get a gun for free or greatly discounted through a guaranteed low/zero interest loan, that’s not really a transaction. That’s a transfer.
Why do you deny that this is an escalation?
No, that is literally and legally a transfer and a transaction.
Jesus Christ.
Why do people with no understanding of language attempt to play semantic games?
An escalation of Taiwan’s ability to defend itself against imperialism? You yourself admit that there’s no chance of Taiwan invading China. So why is Taiwan being able to defend itself so worrying? If China’s only interest is in peaceful reunification, Taiwan’s military might is irrelevant. If China is willing to go to war to annex Taiwan against the wishes of it’s people, that’s imperialism, and makes you a bootlicker.
So why is this an escalation? Is that you support imperialism (obvious answer), or that you haven’t fully thought through your own argument?
Oh, and for anyone following, in the past 30 years we’ve sold almost 100 billion dollars worth of military equipment to Taiwan, and are currently considering an aid package of 6 billion dollars over the next ten years. Much escalation. Very wow.
You’re the one playing semantic games! Fuck, my point was that this new transfer is different and you jumped up my ass trying to pretend like zero escalation has happened and this is nothing new. This is clearly new! This is clearly a step above what we were doing before, and Democrats are selling out refugees to keep doing it (or did you forget what this thread is about?)
What the fuck ever. Technically transfer always happened. You were right.
But surely you realize that subsidized transaction is different from pure financial transaction!
Taiwan doesn’t have to invade for these weapons to be used against China, you realize this right? All it takes is one boat being sunk because China is trying to control trade routes into Taiwan.
No, your point was the incorrect assumption based on headline reading and tankie telephone games that the US hadn’t supplied Taiwan with weaponry before, which is patently false.
I still can’t tell if you’re just fucking stupid or disingenuous, or both. The bill in question, the bill in the article, the entire conversation around it, has nothing to do with Taiwan; Taiwan is something unrelated you brought up to wank over how evil and WARMONGERING the Democrats are for not sucking a dictator’s toes like you do and how it’s a “powder keg” that obviously slightly more military equipment over the next 10 years will cause to BLOW UP and FORCE the POOR OPPRESSED PRC to LIBERATE Taiwan the same way Russia is fucking liberating the Donbass right now.
In terms of ‘escalation’, not really. 6 billion free after selling almost 100 billion worth isn’t anything more than token support.
“Oh no, how terrible, Taiwan won’t let China use military force to control who gets in and out of Taiwan, it’s a good thing this is an Anti-Imperialist™ move by China!”