HP wants you to print things through its cloud service, wherein you pay a subscription fee for ink and your usage is routed through its servers. To encourage you to do this, it covers the USB port …
EU needs to get their shit together and clamp down on this, absolute abomination of a company
I’m sure they’ll get to it. Trouble is there’s so many bullshit moves that companies engage in and it takes time to ban all of them.
I think the EU should ban apple devices. They claim to be pro privacy but what they really are is pro not giving everyone else your data but keeping it themselves, that’s not privacy, that’s false advertising.
That bothers me less though.
Apple “Ok yeah we’re gonna keep your data and mine it. But just us” is a whole lot better than “Lol, your shits for sale” which is Google.
How is it better? It’s still data mining.
People love to love apple but they’re just a company they don’t care about you.
I don’t understand why they get special privileges, I don’t understand why people vehemently argue in their favor of them when they’re clearly just as bad as Google. They’re just better at making you think otherwise.
Because Apple’s core business is selling their stuff to you. Google’s core business is selling you to other companies.
Google’s consumer software and products literally serve no other business purpose than surveillance to figure out how to turn you into a more lucrative advertising target.
Apple has realized they can capitalize on this by making privacy a core selling feature for their stuff — one that Google cannot challenge them on as privacy is directly at odds with the core premise of their entire business.
I use a Samsung because I dont give a fuck about my data personally. Its better because I expect companies that have me as a paying customer to use my data internally, its the onselling to literally anyone with enough money that bothers me.
Like 15 years ago I bought the cheapest Brother laser printer. It’s still going strong. The ink never dries out or fucks up. I’ve never felt like the company was trying to rape my asshole. Why anyone still plays the ink jet game I do not fuckin know. I’ve boycotted HP decades ago and to this day I continue to see reasons to never change that decision.
We got a Brother laser as well. Only print a few times a year, and the toner is always good to go when it does get switched on. Love my Brother!
Why anyone still plays the ink jet game I do not fuckin know.
Space. At least for me, space is the reason. I’m flatting at the moment and can only keep the printer in my room, and it’s already quite cramped with all my gear here. If I could get a compact color laser MFD within the same dimensions as my current Brother inkjet, I’d switch in a heartbeart. Most of the compact laser printers I’ve seen are either monochrome, or don’t include form-feed scanning, or have some or the other shortcomings.
Initial cost as well. If you only print very small amount, you’re not going to spend couple hundred bucks on the laser printer and then 100 or so bucks on a cartridge for it if you’re not going to print often
The thing is since inkjet printers dry out you spend way more on cartridges over time. Sure toner is more expensive, but you but it way less frequently.
Yep just replaced the black toner on my 10+ year old brother. $16 dollar for an off brand.
Yes, but they usually last a few years before they completely dry out to where you can’t use them. I’ve been using the same ink cartridges in my printer for going on 3 years now and it still works
True, but they require a lot of test prints until you get back to an acceptable print quality in my experience
Think I’ve bought 4 cartridges since getting mine six years ago, so about £120. £20 a year isn’t bad… We don’t print much, but getting a laser mono is 5x the cost of our printer for the cheapest brother…
The cheapest brother is $120 (USD) https://www.brother-usa.com/products/HLL2300D
If you want color, sure that’s more ($250). Still not a long shot from what you paid for your HP, plus that ink (and I’d wager you’d still be going without a single follow up purchase of toner).
For context (per their own product claims):
- Brother Genuine TN227 High-yield replacement toner delivers rich, vivid professional laser print quality you can rely on for up to 3,000 pages (black) and up to 2,300 pages (color) (2)
- Additional replacement toner option available for this model: TN223 Standard-yield (1,400 pages black/1,300 pages color) (2)
My Canon ink jet has done well for years on cheap third party ink. It does color and even decent photo, and created many excellent school presentations for my kids. However it’s likely my last printer.
I don’t even know the last time I printed something, it’s always been for the kids’ schools and now they’re old enough to have no more of those
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Ink and dye printers still rule the photo print space. Laser printers simply don’t have sufficient image quality.
Other than that I completely agree that laser printing is the way to go.
This is true but you can always order photos online from Shutterfly, etc. or go to local drug store
Sure, but that’s also less fun than doing it yourself!
I went with a laser and small dye sub printer. If you only need occasional 6x4 photos it’s probably the best option.
5 years ago with a reasonably priced Samsung colour laser scanner combi. No complaints. When I turn it on, it just prints.
JFC! HP sucks. Just buy a Brother laser printer used and never worry about it because it’s bulletproof and a workhorse.
And will work OOTB on Linux with CUPS. Easiest process ever.
I don’t know what CUPS is, but I had 3 major reservations about switching my barely functional computer to Linux:
- Ive never worked in Linux before
- My dive computer only uploads to proprietary software using a proprietary cable.
- My Brother laser printer was working SO well wirelessly. It’s the first time I’ve ever not hated my printer
Turns out some amazing people made open source dive logging software so I can still download my dives.
And for printing, I meant to get around to setting it up, then one day I forgot and accidentally printed something and it just worked. I was so shocked that for a bit I assumed that reformatting the hard drive and changing operating systems must’ve somehow preserved my printer settings.
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Start with something simple like Mint or Fedora. It’s quite easy to use.
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Can you be more specific about the specific cable and software? Odds are it works, or it can work with some tinkering.
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Brother printers work great in Linux in my experience.
While your advice is sound, I think you might not have read @jrubal1462’s comment in full. They already installed Linux, found FOSS alternatives for the proprietary dive software and their printer, to their shock, worked OOTB.
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- Is your device supported by https://subsurface.github.io/SupportedDivecomputers/ ?
Yup! I had a little difficulty communicating with the computer, but all I had to do was add my user to the “dial-out” group and it worked like a charm.
Exactamundo!
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I bought the printer when I was living in a place where the nearest library was 10 miles away and I only had access to a bus. I couldn’t afford a car.
If you print more than twice a decade, you can get that down to about 2 cents a page with a brother laser printer and third party cartridges.
The original mastodon post that kicked off this controversy: https://haunted.computer/@netspooky/110832978569741892
the original mastodon post
Unrelated to this post:
IMO it’s stuff like this, original content that shows up on Mastodon/Lemmy/Kbin first, that will get people to switch over.
Slow organic growth is nice. Keep making good quality content and people will shift over
Kinda baffling that anyone’s still buying HP - isn’t it common knowledge that they’re one of the worst printer brands?
They’re also the cheapest among well-known brands, so the average person buys these
Used to sell printers. It’s the old people 100%
HP has decent enterprise models. So office drones will have a positive image of HP. Also old people who have been out of touch with the market for 20 years or so.
A gentle reminder to those coming in to complain about their prior printers: In some areas, libraries have a computer area where you can print out a reasonable number of pages. It’s not totally convenient, but generally a far better option than maintaining your own cartridge-muncher.
Hurray for public libraries!
Or print shops.
I don’t have a printer at home, and I’ve been just fine. Nowadays you don’t even need to print tickets, so who cares about a printer any more. You get them in your email, and all you need to do is show the QR code off your phone when you show up at the event, enter the theater, board the plane or whatever.
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Oh, I totally forgot about the kiosk. It prints you those barcode stickers, boarding passes and whatnot.
I’m the same way, which then puts me in a tizzy when I actually do need a printer: For instance, needing to print a notice to other apartment residents near me (eg, “Do not move this item, it is a trap for rodents!”), or needing to print shipping labels to send in an item for return/repair.
I guess I would just print that paper at work or make a handwritten note instead.
Never buying HP printers again, not after I got a Brother one last year. It works OOTB even with linux and there’s no such lockdown bullshit.
@gogosempai @stopthatgirl7
I ran my business with two Brother laser printers for 20 years, with NO maintenance problems.In the past year, I’ve discarded two new HP printers as they are just crap. And expensive-ink hogs.
My brother hl-2070n from like, 2006-2007 is still going strong. Drivers aren’t in macOS anymore, but the generic one works fine. I think I’ve only replaced the toner once, maybe twice since i got it. They are excellent printers, fuck hp.
Damn 20 years?! That’s a commendable vouch for Brother.
HP small business printers are almost as bad as their home printers.
Around 2006, I started at a company it had a couple of small business MFPs. I spent more time fixing the printers then they spent printing on them. I ended up talking them into a couple of Enterprise class MFPs They were fantastic but we spent several grand on printers. It’s kind of a shame we don’t print so much, but we scan to email and fax a lot and it was worth it to have something that just works all the time.
I kind of regret not going with brother at this point though we probably could have gotten away much cheaper.
You would never know it from the brand name, but Brother is a Japanese company, and the Japanese are known for making elegant, well made, and easy to use stuff. Konica Minolta is also Japanese and makes pretty good stuff, but for a basic printer I prefer Brother. And don’t bother with inkjet, get a Brother all in one laser printer, and you’ll have a very reliable machine that isn’t expensive to operate. The ink won’t dry up if you don’t use it, and the drivers aren’t constantly trying to sell you anything.
Canon is Japanese too, can’t say the same about their fairly recent practices…
Wtf is going on with printers market
The market for people who NEED printers is shrinking. Last concert I went to I had the QR code ticket in my phone, I havent printed map directions in at least 15 years and I literally cannot remember the last item I needed to print at home.
But they also cant say “Oh well, we had a good 30 year run with home printers” they have to keep making more than last year, so they have to get increasingly predatory.
I just don’t understand why people fall for it. Who is subscribing to this nonsense? I would never purchase or use something like that when there are still other options available. It should have been a dead idea from day 1.
Because most people aren’t technical enough to understand there are alternatives, particularly if those alternatives involve removing a scary label telling you not to.
My parents who are in their 80s only use their printer for printing out the daily crossword puzzle. I made the mistake of getting them to give up their newspaper delivery and just read the paper online, not realizing it would force me to maintain a printer for them. But at least I was able to get them a cheap Brother inkjet where I can refill the cartridges with a syringe.
Why not the laser one instead?
Because like once a year they also want to copy a color photo or two.
I got a color brother laser and am loving it. No regrets and it was affordable. When the drum, etc. reaches end of life i will have to decide if it’s worth repairing or just getting another printer. Also changing 4 toners is expensive but probably less than the ink carts since you don’t do it very often. Also never have to worry about the ink drying out, cleaning printer heads, etc.
If they print every day it’s fine. Inkjets really suck if you don’t print for a while. Then the nozzles dry out and clog and then you have a mess on your hand. As long as it’s not HP you are good.
My parents play crosswords on their phones and tablets. You might try that.
I haven’t had a printer since early 2020 when I was last in the office. Sometimes I definitely miss it. But not enough to buy one.
Since then, the only thing I’ve needed to print was a visa which said I must carry a printed copy, but at the border it was digitally attached to my passport, so turns out I didn’t need it at all.
We let game publishers and adobe get away with charging infinite money for faux services so now everyone else wants to do the same.
Remember it’s not cloud storage it’s just somebody else’s computer.
I work at a retirement place doing tech. Have had 3 hp printers shit the bed exclusively because of software in the 6 months I’ve been there. Hp smart is so bad.
Such a shitty company. As most of these people are former professionals they get an hp because they used it at work then get talked into the subscription ink because they aren’t 21st century tech savvy.
One printer stopped printing because they did not have the subscription ink. They placed a normal ink cartridge in with a subscription one and the software would not allow printing because it recognized non subscription ink. Disgusting.
So many companies want to enter this subscription hellscape.
After being in IT and software development for over 25 years, the only printer brand I bother with any more is Brother. It’s unbelievable how much better they are than everyone else. No nonsense drivers and they’re not constantly trying to force you to buy expensive ink.
From a repair standpoint, Brother are definitely the best option (that I know of). I do authorised repair work for them, and their support guides, technical support team and range of spare parts is absolutely amazing. The biggest problem I see is aftermarket toner wrinkling up the fuser of laser models, but that’s not like it’s something Brother’s introduced to be anti-competitive slime bags.
I’ve got a second-hand HL-5370DW (from 2009~) that’s been through the wringer of a medical practice - I still use it to print without any issue, despite the Web UI insisting that all the non-toner consumables need to be replaced immediately.
People complain about them supposedly having DRM now or whatever but, to be frank, the fact that I can just click “print” and it actually prints makes it miles ahead by default. My printer actually functions now so I can’t say I have any regrets.
… what?
DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! Removing this sticker will reveal a consumer-friendly communications port that will deprive HP of even more money than it’s already milking you for with overpriced ink!
I’m kind of surprised they just didn’t remove the usb port entirely
Design revisions are expensive
Yeah but they could save 50 cents a printer, how can they just pass up those savings?
I have been contemplating abandoning my HP (with instant ink subscription) for an Epson Ecotank. Stuff like this isn’t convincing me to stay. My subscription has already risen to $80 a year, so the value is gone.
Do your self a favour and check out Brother color lasers. Prices are quite good and the speed and quality outstrip a jet by a long way.
My printer is mainly used for color photos and laser printers just aren’t as good at handling those.
How many photos do you print to make it worth it? I can send the files to my local photo lab and they generally print them within a couple hours. I’d have to print like 160 4x6 photos to spend the same as you spend each year in ink, and they are quality prints. If I went to Staples it would be even more.
Brother also has those EcoTank-like printers.
Even if it is not a laser, ink Brother printers are also bulletproof and as everybody says they work like a charm.
I had a brother printer and ditched it for an epson ecotank. Bought new cartridges for the brother and he cleaned it for first use, after that the half of it was empty. I just got about 30 prints from them. He immediatly flew out after this.
Epson ecoprints might be a good alternative. Bit more expensive upfront, but so much cheaper overall.
Epson workforce is great
Be sure to research the ink sponge situation on the ecotank. When it is full, epson has drm to force you to get licensed service to replace it. No expensive cartridges, but expensive sponge instead.
Change the EcoTank sponge yourself: https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/429699/Epson+ECO+TANK+"inkpad"+requires+replacing.+How+to
Read the article you linked. Resetting the counter requires finding a 3rd party hack.
I’ve had an EcoTank for two years and have been VERY happy with it. My only complaint is that I should have gone for a model that allows double sided printing.
The price on the ink is great, that you can fill individual colors as needed is nice, and the print quality is very good.
I ditched the cartridge crap for an eco tank and it’s great. You can even buy off brand Ink bottle for super cheap.
People will still buy it when they suffer economically or techonological ignorance. If there was another system where people could vote on a business death penalty… HP and other printer IP holders have already earned my vote.
Nothing like having to pull out the official ink to clear a paper jam and be told afterwards that the ink you just took out is not the same official ink or gasp reused so the printer punishes you by using more ink so you buy the official ink next time that you already bought.
Fuck HP.
Wow, HP. Way to make even Lexmark look like a paragon of corporate virtue in the home printer market.
For the love of the old gods what kind of Lovecraftian horror is this
