n00b question, sorry. If I had a desktop that could hold 4 HD and 2 SSD, could I turn it into a NAS? Could someone point me in the right direction if this makes sense?

  • dan@upvote.auEnglish
    181·
    10 months ago

    It’ll work fine. A NAS is just a PC. Try Unraid if you want a user friendly UI. It costs money but it’s only a one off payment for a lifetime license, and they have a free trial.

    • Oderus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      +1 for unRAID. I did the same when I got tired of Netflix increasing prices while dropping content. Also got annoyed with my cable because it’s expensive and good content is rare.

      Bought a 12th gen i5 desktop on sale and 4 x 10Tb drives and installed unRAID on a USB key.

      Easiest thing I’ve done in years and it’s 100x better than Netflix and 1000x better than cable.

  • BCsven@lemmy.caEnglish
    11·
    10 months ago

    You totally can, but since it will be on all day with 4 hdd look into wattages you want to live with. There are some small NUCs or Pi based NAS with low wattages. There is OpenMediaVault, FreeNAS/TrueNAS software to install

    • comfydecal@infosec.pubOPEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Hey sorry, thinking on this more, could I just turn on the NAS when desired? What is the benefit of running it constantly?

      • SayCyberOnceMore@feddit.ukEnglish
        10·
        10 months ago

        Yep, look into Wake On LAN if you just want to power the NAS on remotely.

        My NAS also powers on at certaIn times of day and off again after a while - IF - no-one’s connected / no network traffic / etc.

        I do NOT need my NAS on at 3am…

        Edit : forgot to say, check out OpenMediaVault

        • rentar42@kbin.social
          6·
          10 months ago

          Note that there is some reliability drawback of spinning hard disks on and off repeatedly. maybe unintuitively HDDs that spin constantly can live much longer than those that spend 90% of their time spun down.

          This might not be relevant if you use only SSDs, and might never affect you, but it should be mentioned.

          • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
            4·
            10 months ago

            You can also configure the HDDs to power down when they’re not in use. HDDs are the biggest power consumer anyway.

      • BCsven@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        You could totally turn on as needed, WakeOnLan is good for that. But typically when people run a NAS it is for streaming audio, video, file sync and backups and maybe docker running other services so the NAS is typically on 24/7 so it is available on demand. But it doean’t have to be 100% uptime if you don’t want it to be. For example I have two OpenMediaVaults one on a pi and one an old IomegaNAS. The pi is on always with an attached drive, and serves Samba Shares and DLNA/DAAP shares. Has docker running syncthing, CUPS print server, Trillium Notes, and homeassistant; so makes sense for it to be on all day, especially because my wife’s system backsup to it daily automatically. The converted Iomega NAS is mainly a backup machine sInce it is old and not as performant (only has 100 network speed. So that gets turned on to do a bulk backup and not much else.

  • Monkey With A Shell@lemmy.socdojo.comEnglish
    7·
    10 months ago

    Anything that can can provide storage attached to the network is a potential NAS. It doesn’t take a lot of power to just offer and store files. If you start getting into stuff like live transcoding or heavy encrypt/decrypt that’s a bit different matter.

  • 0110010001100010@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    10 months ago

    No reason why not. May be a little power-hungry depending on the spec but if you already have it go for it. FreeNAS (now TrueNAS) is the usually suggested OS to run: https://www.truenas.com/freenas/

    Since you have 4 HDD slots probably run 4 disks in a RAID 5 so think of how much space you need. RAID 5 is n-1 so if you have 4x 10TB drives you will be left with 30TB of space before formatting. You can calculate here: https://www.raid-calculator.com/

    Then either mirror the SSDs for OS and caching or just use one. Depends on your budget really.

    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Power consumption is the main issue. If it’s an old, power hungry desktop and you live somewhere with expensive electricity, it can be quite costly to run. If you have an energy efficient desktop or have cheap power then it will be fine. Just make sure it has a good quality power supply if it’s going to run 24/7.

    • bc3114@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Maybe I’m dumb but looking at wikipedia I’m a bit confused. Seems like you can do this on almost any linux distro. What is the reason behind setting up a dedicated OS, cost of operation, stability, performance?

      • PupBiru@kbin.social
        3·
        10 months ago

        kinda the same reason people suggest something like linux mint over slackware, gentoo, arch, etc… mint is easy to install and is preconfigured to be an easy to use user desktop environment. you can configure any other option to be have like that, but they tend to be a bit more “DIY”, which is great if you know what you’re doing!

        dedicated NAS OSes will have good software out of the box that make it easy to configure and manage various common disk-related configurations (RAID, SMB, NFS, etc). you can certainly do all this yourself, but it might not have a pretty, unified user interface, or you might have to deal with software that isn’t compatible with some version of a library that’s in your distro of choice… all resolvable things, but they take time to solve: anywhere from installing a package manually to applying a kernel patch and recompiling the kernel to get something to work

      • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        Not everybody has the knowledge to deal with Linux. A product line TrueNAS or Unraid has a friendly GUI that can be used by a non-technical user.

  • rtxn@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    10 months ago

    Absolutely anything can be turned into a NAS, as long as you’re aware of your own needs and the hardware’s capabilities. A NAS is just a computer with some specific requirements.

    When I first built my NAS, it only used parts that I got for free. A cheap micro ATX board with only two RAM slots, an i3-4160 CPU, 2x2G RAM, a worn-out SSD, and a 1T HDD. It couldn’t run something like TrueNAS, but it was enough for Proxmox and some Alpine containers running services like Samba, Transmission, Wireguard, and a small Debian VM for me to fuck around with. The single storage disk means there is no redundancy, so I only store replaceable data on it, like TV shows and installers.

    There are many hardware-focused channels on video platforms that offer guides for budget home servers. Wolfgang’s Channel is good, and Hardware Haven and Raid Owl just finished a competition of building a sub-$200 home lab.

  • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    10 months ago

    My NAS is just a very old Acer desktop from like 2011. I bought a Fractal Meshify 2 case which can hold I think 14 hard drives and moved the internals into that. Works great.

    Eventually I had to get a pcie card for more data ports, and replace the power supply with one that’s more than 300w.

  • Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyzBEnglish
    5·
    10 months ago

    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

    Fewer Letters More Letters
    LXC Linux Containers
    NAS Network-Attached Storage
    NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
    Plex Brand of media server package
    RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
    SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage
    SSD Solid State Drive mass storage
    ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity

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  • vext01@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    4·
    10 months ago

    Of course. Just put disks in and set up whatever remote filesystem and it’s a NAS.

  • ULS@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    10 months ago

    Another option is to use openmediavault.

    I haven’t looked at truenas.

    • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      TrueNAS is very good at being a NAS. I used it for some time but eventually moved to CasaOS because it’s better at being a home server.

      • patchexempt@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        I hadn’t heard of CasaOS before; looks very cool. I am currently on TrueNAS and it’s been fine, but I had been running it in a VM because it wasn’t a good fit for running other things along side it. This seems like an interesting solution, thanks!

  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    3·
    10 months ago

    My first NAS was an old desktop that I got for $300 running an FX-6300 and a GTX 550, I slapped a couple hard drives in there, installed Ubuntu, and made an SMB share.

    I’d recommend installing TrueNAS Scale on a system rather than doing what I did in part due to it being so much better than what I was doing, but you could run it on a potato if you wanted.

    Hell my latest NAS upgrade is going from a PowerEdge T610 (tower server from like 2010ish) running TrueNAS Scale to a normal desktop (from 2017) running TrueNAS Scale

    If anything using normal desktop hardware makes servicing it easier than using old server hardware

  • unsaid0415@szmer.infoEnglish
    31·
    10 months ago

    Yeah. That’s what I used to do when I started out.

    The simplest thing to do is install Debian on the computer and create partitions. You have 4 HDDs and 2 SSDs so it’d be stupid to create 6 separate partitions for each drive.

    See in the BIOS if your motherboard supports software RAID1, so you are protected against drive failure somewhat. This will allow you to get something barebones running that’ll use at least 2 drives with redundancy. I assume the mobo RAID1 is stupid and only allows for max 2 drives, so the other drives will be just laying around useless. If that’s the case, probably use the 2 SSDs first. I see other posters recommending higher orders of RAID, but I only have 2 HDDs so I never really delved into that :P Perhaps that’s sound

    With a system like that you could probably set up some small NFS for sharing your files by configuring it manually from the terminal.

    Note that going with raw linux is “simpler” in the sense that it’s perhaps easier to wrap your head around or tinker with, but TrueNAS or Unraid have GUIs that will allow you to create e.g. the mentioned NFS share with a few clicks, rather than having to do it from the terminal. Depends on what you’re looking for. You could move up to TrueNAS or Unraid once you’ve played with raw Linux enough for example.

    Once you have that,

    I only ever dealt with ZFS and TrueNAS. ZFS will allow you to create a “partition” (pool in zfs terms) from many drives at the same time, so you’d be able to use more drives than just the two from RAID1.

    The drives that you have are probably shitty SMR drives whose write speed dramatically slows down once you’re writing to them for a longer time. Consider buying CMR drives in the future, or just going all-SSD if it fits your usecase. ZFS hates SMR drives.

    • PupBiru@kbin.social
      5·
      10 months ago

      i’d avoid BIOS-based RAID… it doesn’t really offer many benefits over linux-based raid like MDADM, and MDADM offers a LOT of up-sides for portability, repairability, diagnostics, etc

      • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        BIOS RAID tends to be the worst of both worlds, it’s not real hardware RAID and it’s not as flexible as full software RAID.

  • sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    2·
    10 months ago

    My NAS is an mATX mobo with an i5, 64G RAM, 8 disk drives, 3 nvme drives, and an ARC GPU for video transcoding.

    Disk drives are all mirrored. One nvme runs NixOS which is easy enough to redeploy if the drive dies. One nvme is cache on top of the disk drives. Last nvme I use for temp fast storage like Jellyfin transcoding.

    Its more of a combo NAS/server as I run most self hosted apps on it (tor node, monero node, jellyfin, *arr stack, etc).

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2·
    10 months ago

    Yes, you can. What do you want to use it for? If its just a NAS you could use TrueNAS but if you want more services I would use proxmox.

    If you are wanting tiered storage (ie SSDs as cache) then TrueNAS is probably the right answer as it uses ZFS and is very flexible.

    • TheMurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      Just a question but do you use proxmox yourself? And if yes, what services would you recommend to run?

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        I’m not sure I can recommend anything without knowing your goals. For me my needs quickly outgrew my little mini PC and now I have a cluster with a few single board computers. Here’s a basic list of what I run:

        Dell workstation (proxmox):

        • Linux Mint
          • GPU and USB passed though via Virtio with a sata to USB adapter for connecting the bluray drive
          • Used as a desktop and is an alternative to my laptop.
          • It also hosts Jellyfin in a podman container
        • Docker 0
          • Nextcloud
        • TrueNAS
          • This is a TrueNAS VM with a dedicated sata controller passed though to it. Its used for storage for nextcloud and jellyfin.

        Mini PC (proxmox)

        • landmass

          • this is a simple LXC container to act as a wireguard client with a caddy proxy. It allows me to access my HDhomerun as it is in another building (long story)

        • caddy

          • this used to be for accessing my homerun but is now just for remote access via ssh.

        • outside access

          • this is a VM that connects to the VM in linode to route traffic. It runs Ngnix proxy manager and is a wireguard client.

        • docker1

          • this hosts Matrix and Drupal. Matrix is basiclly unusable for me because as soon as I start joining rooms the resource usage shoots though the roof and it sometimes crashes

        • Linode

          • I have a VM in Linode that routes traffic into outside access via wireguard. It also runs Ngnix proxy manager.

        • Friendlywrt

          • I have a Nanopi that acts as a firewall and dhcp server to isolate everything.

        This is a incomplete list and doesn’t include my firewall rules or other security measures. I also run Debian on all VMs as it is easy to setup and maintain. If you are looking for somewhere to start I would start by installing nextcloud in a docker container. Proxmox will scale the best but if you are just looking to learn I would install Debian and docker compose. TrueNAS is great for a NAS but its designed to be an appliance so it can be limiting.

        • TheMurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Great rundown, thanks!

          I don’t have a background in software, but I think I’m doing okay with my Raspberry Pi’s so far.

          And I’m looking for more challenging stuff, so this was very helpful.