Interesting! I suspect it’s one of those things that’s a reasonably good divider or litmus test.
Like there are two kinds of MCU fans … those that hated Eternals and those who liked or appreciated it.
And, not to be snobby or anything … but maybe finding a way to make both types of fans happy was the key, and instead the MCU has probably tried to listen a bit too much to the haters.
The thing is, having scores of haters means you’re doing something worth hating and if you have something to say, they’ll probably be right there to hate on it regardless. However, if you do your best to cave to every criticism and say nothing at all, even your haters will move on along and so will most others. The haters will absolutely say “told you so” on the way out, though.
But definitely listen to the people who want a 3rd act that wasn’t built 2 years before the script was released. Musicals, Kevin. Fight scenes are like songs in musicals.
I want to say Nando V. Movies or Sideways (man I miss Sideways) on YouTube has something on it, MAYBE breadsword, but I couldn’t find any recommendations on where it’s mentioned as it wasn’t a headlining aspect of any of their videos. There’s a 0.5% chance that that’s my own extrapolation from watching them for years.
Basically. In a musical, if the emotions are too much for talk, sing, and use that song to really reveal what you’re doing and what you’re all about. In a hero movie, if there’s too much personal beef to talk, hero up and/or fight, and use that heroicism to tell the story OF that personal conflict and of that self actualization.
Black widow comes to mind most with this:
Alexi has a character arc of having fought Captain America, but he confronts someone trained on Cap (taskmaster) without ever actually really fighting “Cap” or acknowledging the possibility. Nando has a video on this that seems to only still work on Nebula. The YouTube version is there, but doesn’t load. It also doesn’t mention anything about musicals.
The character has this I-fought-Cap thing as part of his character, possibly part of his character arc, if it were a musical, he’d have gotten a few major lines in joint I-want or conflict song, then he steps up to that moment and no one wrote a “song” for him or even honored an earlier number with a leitmotif. The “music” was already written and the actualization for one of your primary support characters is acted out, but given no real attention or connection to the character arc. They forgot the earlier part was written because the climax of the story was already in place without any connective tissue to the rest of the “music”.
Oh yea, I had basically extrapolated from Sideways too the moment I read your comment!
And yea, miss them too. I was unaware of their fight with Neely until I noticed that I missed them and looked them up. While I suspect they’re overreacting a bit and could handle the whole thing better and more effectively, I’m inclined to side with them just because I like them (and would prefer them to Neely’s more obviously “I’m an ambitious influencer” vibe.
And though I’ve not seen black widow, I can imagine what you’re talking about. Thanks!
Interesting! I suspect it’s one of those things that’s a reasonably good divider or litmus test.
Like there are two kinds of MCU fans … those that hated Eternals and those who liked or appreciated it.
And, not to be snobby or anything … but maybe finding a way to make both types of fans happy was the key, and instead the MCU has probably tried to listen a bit too much to the haters.
The thing is, having scores of haters means you’re doing something worth hating and if you have something to say, they’ll probably be right there to hate on it regardless. However, if you do your best to cave to every criticism and say nothing at all, even your haters will move on along and so will most others. The haters will absolutely say “told you so” on the way out, though.
But definitely listen to the people who want a 3rd act that wasn’t built 2 years before the script was released. Musicals, Kevin. Fight scenes are like songs in musicals.
Had not thought about it that way … but yes! … makes complete sense!
Is there anything you can point to that talks about this?
I want to say Nando V. Movies or Sideways (man I miss Sideways) on YouTube has something on it, MAYBE breadsword, but I couldn’t find any recommendations on where it’s mentioned as it wasn’t a headlining aspect of any of their videos. There’s a 0.5% chance that that’s my own extrapolation from watching them for years.
Basically. In a musical, if the emotions are too much for talk, sing, and use that song to really reveal what you’re doing and what you’re all about. In a hero movie, if there’s too much personal beef to talk, hero up and/or fight, and use that heroicism to tell the story OF that personal conflict and of that self actualization.
Black widow comes to mind most with this:
Alexi has a character arc of having fought Captain America, but he confronts someone trained on Cap (taskmaster) without ever actually really fighting “Cap” or acknowledging the possibility. Nando has a video on this that seems to only still work on Nebula. The YouTube version is there, but doesn’t load. It also doesn’t mention anything about musicals.
https://nebula.tv/videos/nando-red-guardians-rematch-one-small-change-to-black-widow/
The character has this I-fought-Cap thing as part of his character, possibly part of his character arc, if it were a musical, he’d have gotten a few major lines in joint I-want or conflict song, then he steps up to that moment and no one wrote a “song” for him or even honored an earlier number with a leitmotif. The “music” was already written and the actualization for one of your primary support characters is acted out, but given no real attention or connection to the character arc. They forgot the earlier part was written because the climax of the story was already in place without any connective tissue to the rest of the “music”.
Oh yea, I had basically extrapolated from Sideways too the moment I read your comment!
And yea, miss them too. I was unaware of their fight with Neely until I noticed that I missed them and looked them up. While I suspect they’re overreacting a bit and could handle the whole thing better and more effectively, I’m inclined to side with them just because I like them (and would prefer them to Neely’s more obviously “I’m an ambitious influencer” vibe.
And though I’ve not seen black widow, I can imagine what you’re talking about. Thanks!
Ah, sad day. I didn’t know that about Sideways and Neely. I like both of their content a lot.
Right. Yea they’ve been at it for a while, it’s the main reason sideways stopped posting.
He did make a video about the whole thing recently, but it’s unlisted last I checked.