Per the bible, we aren’t really even allowed to be human beings and are all born wretches full of original sin. If that’s true than I’d rather have the free ice cream and body tattoos and promiscuity while I’m going to hell.
Well there never really was a “Jesus” who saved us from original sin, and the bible is simply a work of misogynistic and bigoted fiction. I don’t need “saving,” I’m not a ‘wretch,’ I was never “blind but now I see.” WRONG. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS!!! I am a human being of great value and worth by virtue of my existence, and I don’t require or want dependency on some fictional idiotic being for my salvation or sense of worth.
A bit dramatic for this conversation… but given the circumstances with some religious people I absolutely get where you’re coming from. We do not need to be given the right to exist by others - we create our value.
We do not need to be told morality - we create morality (for we do not need to be told “do not be cruel or you will burn in hell,” as we understand that cruelty is for the weak who wish to be powerful, and not needed by the truly powerful.)
We do not need a god to align our will to - we can direct our collective wills by our own strength. We are worthy or unworthy of love by our own means - we do not need “forgiveness” from anyone but ourselves.
Maybe so but I’m nothing if not overly dramatic most of the time. The reason I go all hystrionic and raving about it is, because sometimes I feel like the only way people hear you or even pay attention is if you go ballistic and overstate things.
We do create our own morality, and as we learned in philosophy classes, morality is an individual (not social) construct.
I totally agree with your conclusion that we do not need a “god” to align our will to, as humans we’ve accomplished unbelievable miraculous things on our own. Some may say that’s because of divine design, but I say it’s because we’re just that intelligent. Not so intelligent as a god, maybe - but we should trust in ourselves and absolutely be good to ourselves (forgive ourselves as you say).
OH yeah. I’m doing great, sometimes I get a little carried away with my statements - but I really am doing great. And I feel I owe that to my own hard work and resilience and not being dependent on a fictional diety (but that’s my way of seeing it).
I sometimes forget that there are people out there that take any of this seriously. I was just explaining a plot point so your reply seemed very out of left field with a chainsaw bear.
Yeah it was a little heavy handed, I admit. I live in Utah where religion is most people’s way of life, and believe me, they’re dead serious about it to the point that it’s almost frightening.
Per the bible, we aren’t really even allowed to be human beings and are all born wretches full of original sin. If that’s true than I’d rather have the free ice cream and body tattoos and promiscuity while I’m going to hell.
Bible tl;dr: Jesus died so you DONT have original sin anymore.
Well there never really was a “Jesus” who saved us from original sin, and the bible is simply a work of misogynistic and bigoted fiction. I don’t need “saving,” I’m not a ‘wretch,’ I was never “blind but now I see.” WRONG. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS!!! I am a human being of great value and worth by virtue of my existence, and I don’t require or want dependency on some fictional idiotic being for my salvation or sense of worth.
A bit dramatic for this conversation… but given the circumstances with some religious people I absolutely get where you’re coming from. We do not need to be given the right to exist by others - we create our value.
We do not need to be told morality - we create morality (for we do not need to be told “do not be cruel or you will burn in hell,” as we understand that cruelty is for the weak who wish to be powerful, and not needed by the truly powerful.)
We do not need a god to align our will to - we can direct our collective wills by our own strength. We are worthy or unworthy of love by our own means - we do not need “forgiveness” from anyone but ourselves.
Maybe so but I’m nothing if not overly dramatic most of the time. The reason I go all hystrionic and raving about it is, because sometimes I feel like the only way people hear you or even pay attention is if you go ballistic and overstate things.
We do create our own morality, and as we learned in philosophy classes, morality is an individual (not social) construct.
I totally agree with your conclusion that we do not need a “god” to align our will to, as humans we’ve accomplished unbelievable miraculous things on our own. Some may say that’s because of divine design, but I say it’s because we’re just that intelligent. Not so intelligent as a god, maybe - but we should trust in ourselves and absolutely be good to ourselves (forgive ourselves as you say).
are you ok?
OH yeah. I’m doing great, sometimes I get a little carried away with my statements - but I really am doing great. And I feel I owe that to my own hard work and resilience and not being dependent on a fictional diety (but that’s my way of seeing it).
I sometimes forget that there are people out there that take any of this seriously. I was just explaining a plot point so your reply seemed very out of left field with a chainsaw bear.
Yeah it was a little heavy handed, I admit. I live in Utah where religion is most people’s way of life, and believe me, they’re dead serious about it to the point that it’s almost frightening.