• Kiryu@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States’ wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow.

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      9 months ago

      United States’ wishy-washy policies on Palestinians

      Wishy-washy policies is my favorite way to say “apartheid ethnostate”

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      9 months ago

      I have a strict “no genocide” policy. Candidates that promote, endorse, allow, or sit idly by and let others do genocide are gonna be a no go from me.

      It’s not going to change unless we make demands.

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        9 months ago

        I have a strict “no genocide” policy.

        That’s not one of the options though. You get to pick which genocide. You either get restrained genocide, or full genocide with a side of dismantling American democracy.

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            9 months ago

            Happily, and I’ll teach them how to do the same, when necessary. Unlike your parents apparently.

            Sometimes there’s no good choice, only bad and worse. That’s how life works and I’m sad your parents never prepared you for that.

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              Sometimes there’s no good choice

              Why?

              And what conclusions can be drawn about who does and does not hold power in the United States?

              And what should be done to the United States to correct this?

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            9 months ago

            You mean critical thinking?
            As soon as it’s assured Trump loses, and the subsequent cou de tat is quelled, you can all camp the White House front lawn and shake the fences, throw red paint, call old Biden an accessory to murder. Fill your boots.

            But not before.

            Balancing on the tightrope with hell yawning below, is hardly the time to consider changing your shoelaces.

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                9 months ago

                That sounds bad. But you have to remember that they’re brown and Muslim. Which means it’s OK.

                Fish don’t have any feelings, which makes it ok to eat them. Same logic applies here.

                Remember to vote blue no matter who. And always remember that the United States is a good country filled with moral people

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              As soon as it’s assured Trump loses, and the subsequent cou de tat is quelled, you can all camp the White House front lawn and shake the fences, throw red paint, call old Biden an accessory to murder. Fill your boots.

              None of that will cause any structural change, which is why it is permitted

              How can we reshape the United States such that genocide is never permitted again?

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            9 months ago

            Stein thinks the US forced Russia into invading Ukraine and doesn’t support US aid or involvement for Ukrainians. Hardly unexpected, since she’s dined with Russian oligarchs at anniversary dinners for RT.

            As far as I’m concerned, she’s Genocide Jill. I don’t recall her criticizing RT when someone on there suggested drowning Ukrainian children.

            What are West’s positions on Ukraine?

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              9 months ago

              >What are West’s positions on Ukraine

              i’ve heard him say similar things to jill, but also that the shooting needs to stop.

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              >Stein thinks the US forced Russia into invading Ukraine

              she never said that. she has said it was an illegal invasion, though.

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              >she’s dined with Russian oligarchs at anniversary dinners for RT.

              this contains both misinformation and innuendo. she went to one dinner, and she paid her own way. RT was one of the few outlets that would give her air time during her 2012 presidential bid, which is more of a commentary on the corporate media and political parties than on anything she’s ever done.

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            Jill Stein, yes, Cornell West? I wouldn’t bet on it. He’s 2 for 50 so far… I guess if you live in Alaska or Oregon, you’re in luck.

            He’s going to wish he stayed the Green candidate.

            Either way, they’ll pull a tiny segment of the vote and won’t win a single state, just like always.

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                Hey, there’s a first time for anything…

                2020:
                Libertarian - 1.18%
                Green - 0.26% (Howie Hawkins)

                2016:
                Libertarian - 3.28%
                Green - 1.07% (Jill Stein)

                2012:
                Libertarian - 0.99%
                Green - 0.36% (Jill Stein)

                2008:
                Ralph Nader - 0.56%
                Libertarian - 0.40%
                Constitution - 0.15%
                Green - 0.12% (Cynthia McKinney)

                2004:
                Ralph Nader - 0.38%
                Libertarian - 0.32%
                Constitution - 0.12%
                Green - 0.10% (David Cobb)

                2000:
                Green - 2.74% (Ralph Nader)
                Reform - 0.43% (Pat Buchanen)
                Libertarian - 0.36%
                Constitution - 0.09%
                Natural Law - 0.08%

                In order to hit 5%, she would have to do twice as well as Nader did in 2000.

                That is never going to happen.

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      9 months ago

      Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of “genocide Joe” now that Donald is calling for a final solution.

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        Along with what everyone else is saying, I think they could probably still try to make an attempt at taking like, a false moral position, along the lines of an accelerationism-style “oh, well, trump seeking to escalate the war would end it more quickly, thus, saving more lives in the long run” kind of thing. Obviously based on kind of false pretenses, but then, I think a lot of their political positions kind of assume war and resource extraction as an inevitability, and power as an ultimate moral good, on a deeper level, and the fascism and propaganda mind games they play are just kind of a stupid extension of that.