Everyone needs yo keep in kind that all of the US’s problems are caused by 1-Capitalism, and 2-Christianity.
If you are moving to a place that celebrates those things then you are just moving sideways
I’d love to leave. I desperately want to. But I have no marketable skills (too broke to attend college out of high school, am trying now but still have 2 1/2 years to go, so too long), I’m terrifyingly broke, have a weird-ass employment history from years of undiagnosed mental illness and just recently diagnosed ADHD, and I never learned a second language because shitty education and I don’t pick up languages well from those programs that claim to teach you. If I could go, I’ve have gone already, but nowhere worth going wants me and I get it. I know I’m a loser. I’m stuck on this ship while the cool kids are leaving in the life boats. And yes, I vote, but what does it matter?
Sorry to hear of your situation. That kinda sucks.
Vote anyway.There are people trying to convince you that your vote doesn’t matter. if it didn’t matter they wouldn’t bother trying to convince you.
Exactly this. Gonna use this argument more often.
Imagine your situation, but 10 times worse. Now you see why people try to cross the border.
Amen. You’ll never hear me whining about that. Anyone desperate enough to risk their life to cross the border has to be escaping hell. I used to live in an area with a lot of immigrants and some refugees and my job put me in contact with them frequently and I never saw any reason to have a problem with any of them. Despite what the media says, they were no worse than any other person, and a lot of them were good people who were clearly doing their best.
You’re on the ship with a lot of us buddy. We get through this together.
I already left because of Trump the first time around. I couldn’t be happier. I welcome you to Taiwan if anyone is interested in coming.
I left the first time for Trump… but moved to the UK just in time for Brexit. Should’ve picked Taiwan I guess
Well, Taiwan is a very young democracy (1997). So, we still have a lot of the good thing that early democracies have. We are very foreigner friendly.
Homelessness is rare compared to the USA. While there are homeless people here, the % is much lower.
Universal Health care, social security, publicized medicine, an amazing social program for parents and pensioners.
It’s quite simple to immigrate here. If you make over 65k(USD) a year or in the renewable energy field, you’re already approved.
Reminder: Trump, being an insurrectionist, is barred from office by the Constitution. Any attempt to install him needs to be dealt with harshly and immediately, in no uncertain terms. Such violations of our most sacred foundational law cannot be tolerated. Then again, the GOP knows this, which is why we need to pay double attention to their VP candidate.
And this time, they may actually follow through.
Fucking lol no they won’t.
Moving abroad is insanely expensive, getting citizenship in another country is insanely difficult, and most people don’t have the skills that other countries would want, nor the resources necessary to make the move. The amount of people who have the resources to do it and the willingness to follow through wouldn’t qualify as so much as a rounding error, let alone enough to get anyone to take notice.
Regardless of what your opinion is on our immigration laws (legal or otherwise), our laws are basically an open-borders policy when compared to every other country on the planet with similar economic prosperity. People act like you can just pack up and move to Canada or something on a whim over the weekend. Not gonna happen.
My Aunt said she’d leave if Trump was elected. Within the year she had sold her working farm and bed and breakfast and moved to Costa Rica with her husband.
Most people can’t afford to do that,or still have kids at home or whatever. And I honestly don’t like her or my uncle that much, but I was so proud of them that they did that. They had the resources, so they just did it.
Most people don’t have that freedom. But those who do should put their money where their mouth is.
Maybe we can take more of them in Canada instead of from places that commit international assassinations
Yes, America.
Famously not prone to the assassination of political enemies.
Definitely no racial component to your complaint either.
Yeah, totally racist to be upset when other countries carry out assassinations here.
Ah, so you just blame all immigrants for the actions of the government they’re moving away from for non-racial reasons, I see.
That’s why you want more Americans fleeing a fascist takeover, makes sense.
Hey, quick mental exercise, what does an American emigrant look like when you picture them?
Careful with those mental exercises bud, you might give yourselves a nosebleed.
Actually, a lot of the ex-Americans I’ve worked with are a pretty mixed bag, race-wise, and it’s not really surprising that non-white portion might have extra reasons to not be comfortable with the potential government of the future (that said, they might not be too impressed with the potential future government in Canada either).
I’ve also had the pleasure of working and socializing with a good number of intelligent, well-educated immigrants from India etc, but there’s a difference between bringing in educated members of a foreign country and opening the floodgates for McJobs so that corporations can keep on a cheap and easily-controllable workforce.
I’d welcome Americans looking to get away from fascism, but I’m not terribly impressed by bringing in large numbers of people from any country who bring their conflicts and hatreds from the motherland to here.
The interesting assumptions and continued willful ignorance continues, I see.
Some might take this chance to reflect on their thoughts and perhaps address their biases, but that’s apparently off the menu today.
Hey bud, who was being assassinated by Modi’s regime and why?
I can’t help but notice that all the rich conservative shits all want to move to Costa Rica. It’s like a trend started by Rush Limbaugh. Your aunt moved to the one place where there would be more trumpism, not less.
We have a housing shortage in Australia, but besides that, we’d love to welcome a lot of you here. Its slightly more sane at least.
i feel like housing shortage is probably the most generous phrase you can use for what is really a real estate crisis at this point.
Also you have weird animals. I’m good, i’ll stay over here.
While I agree with your overall point, if you think the US is “easy” to move to, you’re deluded. It’s far easier to move to the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, and many other countries.
As a software engineer that works for a US company, with 15 years of experience, I can work pretty much wherever I want, except America.
The reason your immigration is so lop-sided is because your visa system is a joke. Many of your visas are taken by chop-shops that exploit foreign labour through low wages and threat of deportation. A sane president would make a more granular system that allows easy movement for people from “welcome” countries, while denying visas to specific sectors/countries that manipulate the system.
At the very least, I’m gonna get my family out of this hell-hole that is Florida. I’m trying to stay in order to convince as many republicans to split their vote as I can though.
I know a lot of dumb-shit brain washed people that otherwise mean well, but have become oblivious to the hole they’ve found themselves in. So I have a tendency to befriend them and tell them that the only way we’re gonna get any change is if they vote third party. Convincing them to vote Biden is a step too far for most, so I’m just trying to disrupt the cheeto as much as I can locally. And of course my family is voting blue down the whole ticket.
If I had the means to leave I’d already be gone.
It seriously makes me wonder though, if Trump starts executing minorities and Democratic party members en masse, what are the odds that any country would give asylum to Americans?
Probably pretty slimYou legitimately believe Trump is going to preform targeted executions?
Yes, absolutely.
Hope you can find help
I’m definitely planning to get out if Trump somehow manages to win the electoral college.
I happen to also have an EU citizenship. Seems to be many reasons to leave either way.
With what money? That country keeps all it’s people poor.
Go south. Canada can’t house or feed you and you will freeze to death in the first winter.
- a Candian
I’d trade my Canadian passport for an American one if anyone is interested
DONE! No takesie-backsies!
I’ve tried to move to Canada for years now, but I’m not young enough or tech-sector enough to qualify.
Ha Canada tech sector? I’ve just been laid off from that shit for the third time and I’m not even 30 yet
i wont trade mine for yours but perhaps we can conglomerate into one person with both canadian and american citizenship?
No thanks I don’t need the Canada one anymore, dead country
ok, i’ll just take the canada one then.
Where are they going that won’t tell them to go back where they came from?
Lol no they aren’t
PSA if you have one grandparent who was born in Ireland then you may qualify for Irish citizenship. Getting all the needed documentation together and going through the whole process can easily take the better part of a year, so don’t delay.
Even with citizenship, moving abroad is a lot of work and expense. I no longer have any illusions that “cooler heads will prevail” or that “the adults in the room will maintain the status quo”, so having an out, even an extremely expensive one, is very comforting.
Sooo… I speak French. I’m pretty rusty (though I’ve been trying to get it all back this year), but I speak it well enough that it would probably help me get accepted into Canada. I’m a software developer, so it’s not like I’d be a drain on society, I could be very productive there.
I have my passport. My wife is renewing hers. We’re getting passports for the kids this year.
For me, it’s not a question of if we move, should Trump somehow win. It’s when, where, and how.
We won’t stay here.
Both my kids are LGBTQ+. Another Trump presidency would be a direct threat to their lives. So yeah, if he wins, we’re probably going to Canada.
I emigrated to Canada, it’s pretty sweet up here… just be aware that housing is extremely expensive and you will take a significant paycut.
Not having to worry about medical bankruptcy though… fucking priceless.
My kid is LGBTQ. Probably a good idea to renew. My wife spoke a european language fluently (but rusty). I could maybe find an infosec job somewhere but I’m in my 50s and monolingual so idk. Not sure what countries would have us. I guess I need to figure it out pretty soon.
Ireland’s pretty nice, English speaking, Americans are well liked and there is high demand for infosec people who get paid well. Not sure what our immigration laws are like for Americans though so you’d need to look into that.
Weather is fairly shit though. It’s very rarely below freezing but it’s also rarely above like 23C.
Housing is also very expensive and you would likely take a pay cut but get more holidays and have better employment protection.
If you aren’t hired by an Irish company, moving to Ireland is extremely difficult.
Rarely above 23c (73f) sounds delightful, I spent roughly 6 years of my childhood on RAF Feltwell in the UK so I’m already somewhat familiar to the rain
Ah sure you’ll fit right in. :)
I’m from Oregon, the Ireland of the United States as far as weather is concerned. It’s on my list.
Ah sure you’d be right at home so :) Let’s hope it doesn’t come to it, eh? If it does and you’re seriously considering it feel free to hit me up with any questions.
The problem today is that immigrating to another developed country is usually really difficult unless you or an immediate family member already have citizenship of that country.
You can bypass that requirement if you throw a shitload of money at that country to let you in. And maybe Canada would let you in as a software dev if you settled in Quebec? But from what I’ve read in the past, unlike medical doctors, software developers aren’t usually considered one of the elite professionals that bypass those immigration limitations.
But I wish you the best of luck. And as a software developer myself, I would be interested to hear from you and others on how immigration works for our profession.
One thing in my favor, perhaps… I work for a large multinational company that already has a hefty presence up there. So I could theoretically arrive already employed.
But yeah, if Canada doesn’t work out, we’ll have to figure out something else - heck, maybe France itself. I’ve been there before and loved it.
French people can’t pass the French test to get into Quebec lol.
How different is France French from Canada French? Are we talking British and American English? Or is it more drastic?
From what I understand it’s much different, you can almost certainly get by conversationally but might not academically. I only know this because I work with Quebec a decent amount and it’s anecdotal so I guess vet it properly, apparently the test is extremely hard
I would say it’s more like American English compared to Scottish English.
On paper there is few idioms that are different but in practice the accent difference range from “few interesting intonation there and there” to “barely intelligible for someone who is not used to it”
you won’t do it.
