• jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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    8 months ago

    Red flag laws do help a bit and they are the only real tool we have. Even if you’re saving a tiny fraction of the lives you could with real enforcement, you gotta do something. There’s just no path to federal gun control now

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      8 months ago

      Exactly. Let’s not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Today’s congress would be needed for more sweeping reforms (not going to happen right now) and the judiciary on that side too (not going to happen for a long time). They’re doing what they can. It isn’t much, but it’s what they can do.

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      8 months ago

      Explain like I’m a European – what are red flag laws, and how do they hold up against 2A?

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        what are red flag laws

        The short version is one is banned from owning or possessing guns based on accusations from others. The accusation does not necessarily need to be of a crime nor does evidence need to be provided. The accusation simply needs to be a ‘red flag’ (a term which means many different things in different areas). A common one is accusing one of being likely to commit a crime in the future.

        how do they hold up against 2A

        They are not likely to fail a 2A challenge as the 5A challenge will be much easier to argue for a defendant. Barring one from exercising a right who has not been convicted of a crime is basically guaranteed to fail a 5A challenge.

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      8 months ago

      and they are the only real tool we have

      Because when people give a common sense recommendation for more tools, some people want to insist we can’t do anything new…

      Like, do you just not understand what people mean when they say:

      We need more gun control

      Because it’s a real basic sentence…

      There’s just no path to federal gun control now

      Just give up without trying because it’s not guaranteed to work…

      Fucking trump banned bumpstocks on a whim, but when it’s a Dem in charge suddenly anything being accomplished is impossible. That shit gets old quick.

      Biden can do things, he’s just so obsessed with getting Republicans to vote for him that he won’t.

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        8 months ago

        They just tried to remove the speaker for passing a fuckin budget dude. They’d kidnap his children and murder them on a livestream if he agreed to gun control. That’s the MAGA reality. They’re radicals.

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          8 months ago

          We can’t do anything about gun violence because people with guns will use violence…

          You’re basically arguing that not only do we negotiate with terrorists, we have to endanger everyone else to keep the terrorists happy

          Did you never learn how it worked out when people tried to appease nazis?

          Spoilers: they never stay appeased long.

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            8 months ago

            Walk me through the math on gun control. Which GOP reps will support it in the house and senate? Tell me their names. I’ll assume that all dems and independents will go along with it

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              8 months ago

              In 2021 Dems controlled the House, Senate, and presidency… It wasn’t till 2023 the Republicans had the House.

              So why do you assume it wasn’t done during those two years?

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                8 months ago

                Walk me through the Senate math as to how they could have achieved the 60 votes in 2021 then