• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    And yet single issue voters exist. Pretending they don’t isn’t going to work. Scolding them isn’t going to work. The Democratic party and Biden in particular need to adapt.

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          7 months ago

          Would you prefer that Biden lose as long as he continues his support for genocide?

          You sure would.

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            These people would prefer for Biden to lose, and I’m quite convinced that they don’t really care why or how. Genocide is the buzzword of the year, but if Israel and Gaza make peace tomorrow, all of these people will all have new reasons why Democratic voters should stay home or burn their ballots.

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                Oh make no mistake, I’m voting for Joe no matter what. The only alternative is Donald Trump, and Donald Trump wants to destroy the Republic. Joe could send American troops into Rafah to glass it today, and I’d hold my nose and go vote for him in November. That’s just facing reality.

                Would I prefer things were different? Of course, but however much legitimate criticism might be laid at Biden’s feet for not doing more to stop the genocide in Gaza, Trump has already wholly endorsed completely annihilating the Palestinian people, and he wants genocide in the US besides.

                It’s not a difficult choice.

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                  Joe could send American troops into Rafah to glass it today, and I’d hold my nose and go vote for him in November.

                  I doubt you’d be holding your nose in such a case.

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              Can’t imagine why people who voted for a candidate in one election wouldn’t want to vote for them in another election. Total fucking mystery.

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        7 months ago

        So you’d rather support genocide and lose voters than not support genocide and gain voters?

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          Not a binary proposition. Support Israel and lose voters, abandon Israel and lose more and different voters. Diplomacy is hard. Politics is hard.

          Part of the reason it’s hard in this particular situation is bad actors pretending that geopolitics can be reduced to a soundbyte and that the problem is simple and easy.

          Think you can do better? Run for president.

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            Support Israel and lose voters, abandon Israel and lose more and different voters.

            So just making sure I’ve got this right. When potential voters say, “This policy of enabling genocide is a deal-breaker for me, I won’t vote for you if you don’t change this stance,” they’re being naïve about the complexity of politics and the current situation in Palestine, if not actually just bad actors, but when other voters say “I won’t vote for you if you stop enabling genocide,” they’re playing 5d chess that us simpletons with morals just can’t keep up with, right? Because that’s basically what you’ve just wrote.

            It’s always the left who are being unreasonable for refusing to compromise, but when center-right genocide sympathizers refuse to compromise on their stance, tough luck, kid, that’s just politics. The enlightened centrists here are shrieking about the end of democracy if you don’t fall in line with them, as all the while they happily march down the path to the end of democracy.

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              Exactly. And nothing illustrates this better than the fact that nobody is apologizing for electing Biden in the 2020 primaries. Their political viewpoints are sacrosanct. Ours are petty and childish.

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            If Biden stops supporting Netanyahu’s genocide, will he lose your vote?

            EDIT: disregard. You answered elsewhere before I noticed.

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        I was describing a phenomenon, not identifying myself as an example of that phenomenon. I’m voting for Biden.