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    True… but I think we would have had more representation, as democrats would try to score political points.

    It would have felt like we had some representation fighting against this, rather then 2 parties agreeing on a genocide.

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      You’re getting all the representation you can get from Senate and House Democrats. Schumer spoke against this in January. Bernie repeated last month, and so on. Congress is now divided on this as a partisan issue, but ignorance puts it all on the president, whose office has been in support of Israel in this conflict since it began under Reagan. A Republican in office would only escalate this into a war with Iran after Palestine is eradicated.

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          I believe they’re talking about Democrat electors, like Schumer and Bernie. No one here is against speaking out or protesting. The topic is voting. If people abstain, Trump will win. His unwavering base will make sure of that.

          Also, you said you’re not a democrat. Which is it? Or do you just manipulate your stance to fit the narrative you’re selling?

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            Also, you said you’re not a democrat.

            Oh cool. Where did I say that?

            Is it in the same chunk of your imagination where you assume I support trump because I don’t love genocide like you do?

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              I thought you had written that you left the party years ago. My mistake. Also, accusing people of loving genocide is despicable and further discrediting to you. Of course I’m passionately against killing of any kind, especially when targeting a specific group.

              I’m not defending Biden’s support of Israel. This post is about voting, and yes, I’m absolutely reluctantly voting for him to keep Trump from a second term. You are either completely ignorant to the implications of your comments or you are actively trying to get Trump into office.

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                Also, accusing people of loving genocide is despicable and further discrediting to you.

                You didn’t care when you were accusing me of supporting trump and by extension genocide. So deal with it.

                Of course I’m passionately against killing of any kind, especially when targeting a specific group.

                But are happy to scream false accusations at anyone who isn’t willing to pretend that Biden’s support for genocide is acceptable.

                I’m not defending Biden’s support of Israel.

                Really? Because you acted like I was a single issue voter for just pointing out that single issue voters exist and that Biden needs to adapt.

                Of course adaptation might involve dropping support for genocide, so I can see why that would make you angry.

                This post is about voting, and yes, I’m absolutely reluctantly voting for him to keep Trump from a second term.

                I very much doubt that there’s any reluctance involved, unless he drops his support for genocide.

                You are either completely ignorant to the implications of your comments or you are actively trying to get Trump into office.

                I’m trying to get Democrats to stop being the Other Genocide Party. Which bothers you.

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                  I’m not angry. In fact, I’m quite well adjusted. You should consider paying more attention to your well being and less attention to opportunities to attack and misrepresent others online.

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        Yeah, they’re speaking out against the protests. Biden even got in on it with his short speech recently finger wagging the student protests, in case you were wondering how much democrats care about acting against genocide.

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            Everyone knows trump is worse. The answer to hitler is not hitler-lite.

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              What is the answer? People are commenting like they can just abstain and everything will work out. I’m commenting as an anti-Trump voter. Provide a suggestion that isn’t whining about bad choices and I’ll listen.

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                The answer is for people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries to apologize for putting us in this position. Otherwise they’re just gonna do it again in 2028.

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                    It would demonstrate some self awareness from the people who created this situation. If they plan on behaving differently in the next primaries then it’s worth it to hold my nose and vote for Biden again in the hopes of having someone substantially better in 2028.

                    The fact that there is no apology means whoever is elected in the 2028 primaries won’t be any better. It’s probably going to be HRC.

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                The answer is to continue to pressure democrats, known as “the good party”, to actually do good things they claim they want to do but refuse to actually do.

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                  I completely agree. I’m only commenting against the inaccuracy of protesting at the polls. The topic of this thread and post is supporting Biden in the election, not in his support of Israel.

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          He called out elements of the student protest movement, not the movement as a whole.

          Maybe if we policed the most unhelpful and destructive elements of the movement for ourselves, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

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            He talked about these elements as if they were the entirety of the movement. It doesn’t matter how much you police the movement, any jackass can make the movement look bad with the help of biden and the media pretending like they represent the movement.

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              The Columbia divestment spokesperson said they had no involvement with the group which took over Hamlin Hall, but stood in solidarity with them.

              When the movement as a whole stands in solidarity with those who are weakening the movement, maybe Biden has a point.

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                Biden is arming and funding a genocide

                He has no moral credibility and neither does the Democratic Party

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                  We all know of his support. What you don’t seem to recognize is that Trump will be worse. Protest Biden’s support of Israel. Just don’t pretend that things will be get better by supporting Trump. We all know that’s a lie.

                  Also, the Republicans tried to pass Israel aid independent of Ukraine and Taiwan aid. Don’t pretend for a second that the Democrats in Congress are morally inferior to the Republicans.

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                    The Democrats are arming and funding a genocide. Even George W Bush and Trump never did that.

                    Only one president in my lifetime ever armed and funded a genocide. That president is a Democrat and his name is Joe Biden

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                  Sure I get that, but I would also point out that you aren’t personally getting food into Gaza. Trump is going to tear down the humanitarian aid for Palestinians that Biden and the Democrats are working through the diplomatic process.

                  When Trump is elected and this genocide becomes a success, make no mistake, you will have had a hand in that, and I think you would lose that ability to criticize Biden.

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                    the humanitarian aid for Palestinians that Biden and the Democrats are working through the diplomatic process.

                    This is not happening. It’s a fairy tale

                    this genocide becomes a success

                    Already is.

                    I think you would lose that ability to criticize Biden.

                    I think everyone who voted for Biden in 2020, which includes me, is culpable for this genocide.

                    Unfortunately, the United States is not a democracy. It is a dictatorship of the oligarchs. Which means there is no way to influence policy on which the oligarchs agree. This Zionist genocide is one such example. Another is single payer healthcare. And workplace democracy.

                    This country is a hellhole whose living conditions will continue to deteriorate for the rest of our lives, much like they have since 1968. Voting for Biden or for trump will not change that.

                    Moving to somewhere like Denmark is the best possible option. No American should have any hope for this country. It is naive to think that Biden and The Democrats will do anything to meaningfully improve the country or the world. They are owned by the oligarchs - they just don’t actively hate guys or women.

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        Democrats are speaking out

        Actually, Democrats are funding and arming a genocide against Gazans

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          Find a list of people in Congress who have spoken out. What do they all have in common?

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            That they have not influenced policy on this issue at all and that they will be shortly electorally defeated by AIPAC endorsed candidates?