Does anyone know about the legality of removing the built-in sim cards from your car, specifically in Australia?

I don’t intend on using any car smart-features when I get one. For context, I’ve never owned a car. When I do get one though, I intend to remove the sim card to prevent the car’s location from being constantly tracked. All I care about in terms a cars functionality is a radio, a CD drive (Yes, I use CD’s), and Bluetooth audio, so I don’t think removing the sim card should affect this much, if at all. Any knowledge and advice would be appreciated, thankyou!

Update: What I was referring to is an eSim, which appears not to be in the form of a physical card. Even so, if possible, I would like to disable the functionality of this eSim assuming the car I purchase has one in-built. From my research, I cannot find anything that explicitly forbids disabling or removing Sims.

  • ealoeEnglish
    10·
    12 天前

    You’d better be leaving your phone at home every time you drive that car or you’ve defeated the point

    • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
      40·
      12 天前

      Not necessarily true. Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good enough. Limiting the number of organizations that have your data is a good thing. There’s no reason the car vendor needs that data

      • doona@aussie.zoneEnglish
        3·
        11 天前

        Why would a car manufacturer give you cellular service for free? If you don’t pay for subscriptions, surely they’re not seeing any of your car’s data?

        • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
          6·
          11 天前

          The telemetry from your car has value, plus if they control your infotainment system they can constantly try to upsell you to subscribe or buy other features.

          Not to mention when we’re talking about on a car manufacturer, they can negotiate fleet-wide data access for all the vehicles. With an agreement with the manufacturer that if the user actually buys data access for themselves, they split the profit with the carrier

          • doona@aussie.zoneEnglish
            7·
            11 天前

            So new cars have always-on cellular connectivity regardless of subscriptions paid? That’s insane. The auto industry is a genuine menace.

            • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
              5·
              11 天前

              Not all new cars. But some. Whenever you get a vehicle, it’s probably a good idea to buy one of those aftermarket service manuals sold to car mechanics for your make and model. Then you can verify radio repair etc etc and what circuits to take out etc

              Besides if you’re trying to do information upsell, you don’t want your customer to have to go to a cell phone store and buy a SIM card and put it in the car. That’s extra friction they might change their mind. You want it to be always on and available, so they can just consent and get into the funnel

              • doona@aussie.zoneEnglish
                2·
                11 天前

                Good advice even when buying an older car. I wonder if there’s a shitlist for the manufacturers who have this crap pre-installed and always running?

        • root@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          11 天前

          Consider the possibility that they are selling the data collected from you for a profit and using part of those profits to pay for the cellular service.

    • explore_broaden@midwest.socialEnglish
      9·
      12 天前

      Also there’s many more settings on a phone to disable share your location for most uses vs on a car where it seems like your location goes straight to insurance companies.

    • Tazerface@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      12 天前

      Airplane mode - callers can leave a message. VoIP - it’s connected via wifi or mobile data. I’m in Canada but the three times I checked where my IP says I am, it was in UK or NL. Of course there are alternative OSs for androids.